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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-09-17 04:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #1353 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1353 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I am a white British woman. I can say hand on heart I have never experienced sexism.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:23 pm (UTC)(link)
you have. you just didn't realize it was sexism at the time. or didn't realize it was happening (men making comments about you/your body that you couldn't hear, etc)
and even if you were a special case, your experience hardly speaks for all women.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:24 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I'm a special case, then.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:26 pm (UTC)(link)
must be nice.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Yep. 'S brilliant.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:30 pm (UTC)(link)
Uhh. If she couldn't hear it, how has she *~experienced~* it?

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Just because you don't recognize the sexism inherent in a sexist act doesn't make it any less sexist.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
So you've never had a man perform a "gentlemanly act" for you? Like hold that door that you--as a woman--shouldn't be holding/opening a jar you can possibly get open/insisting on carrying an object that--while a little heavy or cumbersome, is still manageable.

Because while they're all seemingly wonderful gestures that the majority of women aren't going to argue having performed (I don't), they're still inherently sexist. At work, I can't go five feet with a big, awkward box without some guy asking me to let him help, or a superior of mine barking at one of the men to, "Get that for her...!" even after I tell them that I'm perfectly capable and carry on my merry way. My male coworker could be carrying the same box five minutes later, and no one even blinks or offers to help him.

It's just not always about being looked over for a job or catcalls on the street. It's the idea that women shouldn't (or shouldn't have to) do certain things while men should.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
ngl, I enjoy a bit of chivalry. But it does annoy me when it's done because the man feels it NEEDS to be done for the woman. At the moment, there is a guy who is trying to "woo" me (I suppose you'd call it that). His idea of wooing is not only opening doors for me, but helping me out of cars, helping me down stairs, giving me his coat when he thinks I might be cold, and so on.

It's like, "dude, I can do these things by myself. Don't make me feel like I'm incapable"

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 10:14 pm (UTC)(link)
I completely agree. I live in the southern US, so I'm more than used to my share of "southern hospitality" and the way men are told to act and treat women (in a general sense, of course). I will never argue a man holding the door open for me, but don't think I don't stop to hold the door open for anyone behind me as well.

I always love to believe it's just people being polite (which is my intention), and it's only when I get men saying things like, "Oh, don't let her do that..." or "Get that for her..." that I realize that it's more than just being polite--and it's not always a conscious "ME MAN, YOU WOMAN" thing, but it doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-18 08:39 am (UTC)(link)
uh, didn't you just say you've never experienced sexism? I guess we can all conclude now that you have, you just don't know what sexism is.

...or are you a different anon?

Anyway, "chivalry" is bullshit. Generally leads to the dude thinking the women's not capable of doing other things for herself, like making basic personal decisions. Or to him being an asshole to every other woman besides "his girl". See how often that happens at concerts, when guys shove people around because they are "protecting" their gfs.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 09:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Nope :)

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
You don't *as a woman* hold the door for other people coming in or out of a shop, or help someone carrying a lot of things when you aren't carrying anything?

I think people missed the boat on chivalry and "feminism". Don't stop doing nice things for people, just do them regardless of gender.

[identity profile] alenxa.livejournal.com 2010-09-17 10:09 pm (UTC)(link)
Thank you.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 10:16 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes. But that doesn't change the fact that a lot of the men who do them for women only do them for women because of misplaced Victorian concepts that involve women not having agency to do for themselves.

Even when I can obviously carry boxes into my apartment, I get men offering to help me in a way they wouldn't offer a guy because I'm a girl and therefore ~weak.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 10:23 pm (UTC)(link)
No, but I do it because I'm being polite. And I'm not saying many men don't do it to be polite either, but there's a difference in someone thinking, "I need to do this because it's the nice thing to do" and "I need to do this because it's what I'm supposed to do because I've been told my whole life I'm the bigger, stronger sex and I'm need to help those who aren't."

When I'm carrying a box across the room and four guys ask me if I need help, yet they don't ask the guy walking right behind me if he needs help, then it goes beyond being polite.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 10:24 pm (UTC)(link)
This. I can see where you're coming from, and I'm not denying that there are a lot of men out there who'll do those things just because they don't deem a woman capable, or feel the need to be chivalrous or whatever, but sometimes someone who just happens to be a man is attempting to do a favour for someone who just happens to be a woman.

[identity profile] dethtoll.livejournal.com 2010-09-17 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Spot on, mate.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 11:14 pm (UTC)(link)
So you've never had a man perform a "gentlemanly act" for you? Like hold that door that you--as a woman--shouldn't be holding/opening a jar you can possibly get open/insisting on carrying an object that--while a little heavy or cumbersome, is still manageable.

I usually ask the man to do it, cause I am lazy. IDK maybe I am the sexist one.

in b4 'omgz u cun't be 4real women blah blah blah blah more shit i won't read blah blah'

[identity profile] veronica-rich.livejournal.com 2010-09-18 01:08 am (UTC)(link)
Hmm. I definitely don't think sexism rules my existence, but I have experienced it. (More as a "are you fucking KIDDING me?" reaction on my part, and ignoring the intent - but I did recognize what was trying to be done to me.)

[identity profile] blaanidblaanid.livejournal.com 2010-09-18 06:25 am (UTC)(link)
- sawing wood in a friend's garage to make a frame for a banner. grandfather came out, crossed his arm over his chest, smiled at me, and said, "Wonder how this'll turn out."
- joined wrestling team in high school. forty guys, six girls. constant jokes.
- random guys offering to carry boxes, luggage, etc for me despite being more than capable myself
- being told by my cousins that I'm childish for not liking the color pink or other "girly" colors.
- being told to wear makeup, cross legs, be ladylike

The list goes on and on.