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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-09-17 04:57 pm

[ SECRET POST #1353 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1353 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[identity profile] fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com 2010-09-17 10:20 pm (UTC)(link)
I kinda understand where you're coming from. I'm white and cis, but I've had some experiences being the target of homophobia from people in my immediate family and I know what it's like to be so hurt and enraged that these people have no idea why what they're doing is having an effect on you and you can't suck it up and get over it. In my mind sometimes I do lump together straight people that aren't openly allies, and I feel really bad about it and know that I shouldn't be thinking this way but sometimes I still do.

Anger like that comes from being on the receiving end of prejudice, and there's often nothing that somebody can do to convince another person that they aren't the bad guy. And yeah, that does make it really hard to be an ally, if you've got someone yelling at you that you're part of the problem because you belong to X privileged group. But that person doesn't feel that way because they're just an asshole, they feel that way because they've been exposed to so much discrimination that expecting more discrimination has become a learned response.

Still, I believe that the best way to proceed is to do one's best to stop discrimination in whatever sphere of influence you have, and maybe that's silly dreamer talk but I'm not really a realist anyway. It's also not the OP's duty to flagellate herself for having privilege, and that's mostly what my post was about anyway.

[identity profile] sir-stache.livejournal.com 2010-09-17 10:37 pm (UTC)(link)
But that person doesn't feel that way because they're just an asshole, they feel that way because they've been exposed to so much discrimination that expecting more discrimination has become a learned response.

everything you've been saying has been awesome, but this in particular is YESSS

[identity profile] fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com 2010-09-17 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
I think that deciding someone's a jerk can be a very convenient excuse not to listen to what they have to say.

Also icon love like whoa.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 11:01 pm (UTC)(link)
But that person doesn't feel that way because they're just an asshole, they feel that way because they've been exposed to so much discrimination that expecting more discrimination has become a learned response.

But that in itself is perpetuating the problem; how is (for example) the expectation that white guys are going to discriminate any less discriminatory than a white guy who discriminates? (That sentence was awful - sorry..) The presumption of discrimination is in itself a discriminatory act. And that's something I think both sides need to figure out. (I know I've been on both sides of that fence. I'm not proud of it, but that's the reality.)

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 11:07 pm (UTC)(link)
The presumption of discrimination from certain people because of their gender, sexual orientation, or skin colour may be a prejudiced view, but it's nowhere near as hurtful and overall damaging as actually being discriminated against in all aspects of society.

[identity profile] fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com 2010-09-17 11:45 pm (UTC)(link)
Both are bad things to do and can hurt people and damage the ability for the privileged group and the marginalized group to be able to work together and move forward and help get rid of the 'privileged' and 'marginalized' statuses. That much is true.

That doesn't make it the same thing.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 11:50 pm (UTC)(link)
you should join ontd_feminism, there are tons of us with a similar mindset over there and someone with your understanding of this material will be really welcome in the comm.

/shameless plug

(Anonymous) 2010-09-17 11:58 pm (UTC)(link)
lol ontd_feminism

[identity profile] fearless-rabbit.livejournal.com 2010-09-18 12:01 am (UTC)(link)
Depends. Are you cool feminists that actually understand how gender works, or are you the icky transphobic kind?

(Anonymous) 2010-09-18 12:30 am (UTC)(link)
At least one of the mods is a trans woman. In fact, it's less of a feminist community and more of a marginalized people's community - very few posts are actually dedicated toward women in specific.

(Anonymous) 2010-09-18 02:45 am (UTC)(link)
no, we're the cool kind. there are a lot of posts about women, but also about lgb issues and trans issues and racial issues and basically anything pertaining to social justice.