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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-09-19 05:01 pm

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[identity profile] inuyatta.livejournal.com 2010-09-19 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you've misunderstood me...because I misspoke. By medicinal practices, I mean hands-on stuff. Chiropractic adjustment, diagnosing, etc--the person-to-person portion of medicine.

With that said, if real medicine always works, why are there usually such dreadful side effects? In the past 5, almost 6 years, I've had a number of clients who come to me with a plethora of what's considered 'real' medicine that does absolutely nothing for their problems--now I'm not saying that what I do cures the ailment, but I have been told unanimously that my part of their health care (massage therapy) has been crucial to their pain relief, and I can actually see and feel the results myself. That is something they could not get with years of specialists and doctors in some cases, and that is why I find it faulty to assume that they will always be more effective.

In addition to that, I will agree that a lot of the alternative medicine practices in the Western hemisphere have made my slam my head into my desk with rage. The Western version of Reiki, for example, is pretty much a sham because it resembles nothing like what it actually is supposed to be--they've inflated the shit out of it with 'spiritually healing' labels and other romanticized tripe. A lot of the Eastern, traditional practices have been lost in translation, and then people ran with these incomplete versions and fill in the gaps with whatever they think will sell.

I will never, ever say that all doctors are ineffective. There are good doctors and bad doctors out there, just as there are good and bad acupuncturists, etc. There are quacks in every field. That's why I think it's wrong to generalize on any of it--there are too many factors, and too many unknowns that make it impossible to make an effective overall ruling.

As for this paper trail you're speaking of, in some cases, that's true. But you're also working off the assumption that the Medical community isn't corrupted in some way. In America, at least, I can tell you this is not true by any stretch of the word. There is a whole other level of politics that doctors have to try and work around, and in the end, everyone loses.

...I do apologize, I believe I may have wanked here unintentionally. It's just hard to remove all personal intrigue aside when it feels like there are people out there who believe I practice fraudulence when I know otherwise.
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[personal profile] thene 2010-09-20 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
With that said, if real medicine always works, why are there usually such dreadful side effects?

Weird thing is, I've previously only seen that one put the other way around; if [insert alternative treatment here] works, why are there no side effects? (The most recent time I saw this it was coming from a sceptic who, in order to demonstrate that they were fake, 'overdosed' on homeopathic sleeping pills and filmed himself not passing out.) There's the base assumption made that nothing can have an effect that's focused wholly on the positive.


As for this paper trail you're speaking of, in some cases, that's true. But you're also working off the assumption that the Medical community isn't corrupted in some way.

I guess you missed the first half of the sentence you were replying to there: With scientific medicine it is possible for fail and fraud to slip through the net but there is, at least, always a paper trail for us to follow. There have been many verifiable cases of medical fraud, and there have been legal cases (such as the Vioxx trial) that have handed out compensation in the billions. Where are the equivalent responses to fraudulent alternative medicine? It's not like the alternative medical community isn't equally corrupted, hello Matthias Rath. But there's no class-action lawsuits, no across-the-board withdrawals of 'treatments' found to be useless or dangerous. That's the danger of that lack of a paper trail.

[identity profile] inuyatta.livejournal.com 2010-09-20 03:50 am (UTC)(link)
Lol, you'll have to talk to someone who deals in homeopathy on that one. The most effective medication I have found (prescribed and herbal) has been the stuff that has to be done in moderation and careful combination.

I think I understand a little better about where you're coming from with the lack of paper trail for Alt. Medicine. Problem is that a lot of Alt. Med. is not researched thoroughly or effectively for a multitude of reasons.

Believe me, I know full well that there are a bunch of quacks out there pretending to be messiahs of alternative medicine. That is not all of us, I promise. But it is going to take some time before effective regulations are set up to weed out the money grubbers from the specialists that are actually trying and are capable of helping.