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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2010-09-19 05:01 pm

[ SECRET POST #1355 ]


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[identity profile] coyote-feathers.livejournal.com 2010-09-19 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
It's not hard to believe that people opt to forgo chemo. I know it sucks, hell, it stops cell reproduction which is why it messes up your stomach- and intestinal-lining, etc. I can see how that would be scary for some people. It's well within their rights to seek out alternative, unproven and potentially more dangerous treatments, just as it's well within my rights to quirk an eyebrow and question their judgement.

You say acupuncture works. I say, prove it.

[identity profile] inuyatta.livejournal.com 2010-09-19 11:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Except how would we prove it within your standards? Could I give you a personally related account without it being dismissed as hearsay?

You're well within your rights to quirk an eyebrow, but to question their judgment as if they're stupid when there are plenty of drugs that were approved for use by the FDA that ended up bearing horrible side effects later on...Sorry, it's hard to find a base for your seemingly selective skepticism here.

Acupuncture works for some people. Drugs and other procedures work for some people. Neither one works for everyone, but neither form of medicine should be considered complete crap.

[identity profile] coyote-feathers.livejournal.com 2010-09-19 11:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Okay then. I can't prove anything to you and you can't prove anything to me. I'm willing to agree to disagree. :)

[identity profile] inuyatta.livejournal.com 2010-09-20 12:12 am (UTC)(link)
I'm guessing that's a 'no', then?

Very well, I agree to disagree, and I at least appreciate your civility.

[personal profile] convault 2010-09-20 12:03 am (UTC)(link)
If acupuncture was quackery, Johns Hopkins wouldn't list it as a valid treatment in their cancer program. http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/cam/Clinical_Services/Acupuncture

I'm not saying acupuncture cures cancer or it's an all-purpose medicine. I'm saying it does what it was intended to do. Not sure about you, but I hold news articles from USA Today to be a pretty reliable source of information.

And keep in mind the majority of scientific tests were done by MDs with minimal amounts of training while skilled acupuncturists train for years. Here's a study from Harvard anyway. It could be the placebo effect at work, but if you're gonna take any bit of possible proof as a placebo effect, then there's nothing I can say about it.

[identity profile] coyote-feathers.livejournal.com 2010-09-20 12:10 am (UTC)(link)
That Johns Hopkins link is empty. Are there any articles there that I'm missing or is the page actually totally blank? :\

I am definitely interested in reading validated studies and such ON acupuncture, because YEAH, having an alternative medicine that doesn't kill your stomach lining and actually WORKS would be... well, it would be fan-fucking-tastic and I would totally go for that over chemotherapy. The problem is, I haven't seen the evidence.

BUT, I am totally going to read that Harvard paper because it looks really interesting. And yeah, maybe it'll change my opinion! :D This is the kind of thing I'm looking for, not "well my aunt's hernia was cured by valerian root".

Never stop learning! :D

[personal profile] convault 2010-09-20 12:16 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I was pretty confused about that, but I'm pretty sure they're just... listing it as opposed to explaining it. I tried the other links and they exist, but they're empty, too. IDK, Johns Hopkins needs to work on its site.

And I don't think it should be a replacement for chemotherapy, but it sounds like a pretty useful supplement to it, as far as reducing symptoms and providing relief are concerned! I've got some anecdotal personal experience with acupuncture so I'm fairly convinced it works on at least some things, but haha, I'm a pretty scientific person myself and anecdotal evidence isn't quite enough to sway me, either.