[ SECRET POST #1355 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1355 ⌋

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Comments

[convault]

http://www.osher.hms.harvard.edu/kerrlab/documents/yookerr2007_000.pdf

Page 7 has a pretty nice MRI scan of real acupuncture and sham acupuncture effects on the brain, too. 99% of acupuncture points come within .5mm of major nerve endings, and sticking a needle into any random place won't produce the same effects. Just sayin'.

[thene]

If that's the case, why do the effects of acupuncture show no statistically significant difference from placebo? Why does sticking needles into any random place work as well as acupuncture if acupuncture points are so special?

[convault]

because the people conducting tests in that study aren't trained acupuncturists? if you taught an acupuncturist how to remove an appendix for 20 hours what surgeons spend years learning before they're even allowed into an OR and then set them to removing an appendix, how likely is that operation going to go horribly wrong?

acupuncture isn't JUST sticking a needle into a point and then hoping it works. if you're gonna cling to a website called badscience after i linked a harvard med school study, i dunno what your definition of science is.

[inuyatta.livejournal.com]

Maybe because it depends on the cause of pain of the individual?

You are using one study to decree that all acupuncture is used for is a placebo effect, which is flawed reasoning. I don't think anyone ever stated that for some people, it wasn't a placebo effect. However, that is not the case for everyone. Pyrat just gave you a study that showed acupuncture yielding actual, measurable benefits.

So this basically suggests that Acupuncture is like most medicine (Eastern and Western), results may vary from person to person, lol. Acupuncture can benefit both the believer and the skeptic, depending on the acupuncturist's level of skill as well as the source of the pain.