[ SECRET POST #1379 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1379 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

What I like about the depraved homosexual trope is that those characters are allowed to be openly gay and display sexual urges and / or have relationships, even if they're the twisted kind.

The sane, nice, friendly, gentle gay guy over there in the corner will probably never get an onscreen kiss or anything to show that he has a sex drive at all.

[(Anonymous)]

I completely agree, especially about harmless, friendly queer characters. (Also there's the whole argument about how the way they're now showing gay characters in what's effectively a "normal" heteronormative light is ultimately harmful.)

Plus, seeing a villain coming on to a person of the opposite sex who they're torturing/taunting/tying up/whatever has gathered its fair share of sexism throughout history (especially if the villain is male and the "victim" female, princess-in-the-clutches-of-evil-baron, anyone?)... ok, maybe that's just male-villain female-victim. I can't think of an example of a female-villain with a male-victim.

ANYWAY. Gay stereotypes and sexist tropes are both ugly and best avoided, but if I absolutely had to choose, I'd go with campy villains.

[demiincarnate.livejournal.com]

Wait, there's an argument that showing gay people as normal is harmful?

[caterfree10.livejournal.com]

Dude, that's been an argument from the Right Wing for AGES. I have to use all my willpower not to clock people over the head every damn time I hear it, too. DX

[demiincarnate.livejournal.com]

No no, look at what anon said. She seems to be indicating that it's harmful from a non-heteronormative perspective. Unless I misinterpreted?

[asimaiyat.livejournal.com]

I'm not the above anon, but I'd guess that they meant the argument that it's harmful the way TV and movies sometimes show gay people as safe or okay only when they conform to heteronormative ideals -- say, the gay couple on Modern Family, who are basically a 50s TV family where one partner works, one stays at home with the baby, and they live in a big, nice house in the suburbs. I mean, I love Mitchell and Cam. But there is an argument to be made that it's problematic to show that as the only way for queer folks to be accepted. It would be cool to see more gay characters on mainstream TV who challenge those norms without being portrayed as villains or comic relief figures.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

You took the words out of my mouth there.

Right now, we've got three options: comic relief, villainy, and ho-hum life in the suburbs. Of the three, I'd take being a villain- I'd rather be evil than impotent.

[luxis-lil.livejournal.com]

I can't think of an example of a female-villain with a male-victim.

Maleficent/Prince Philip in Sleeping Beauty?