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⌈ Secret Post #1402 ⌋

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134. [SPOILERS for BtVS]

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140. [TRIGGER WARNING for rape]

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Yup, I have read until the lastest chapter ;)

I cannot sort out if the anon says that Alma and Kanda are two different human beings with transplanted memories only, thus they do not necessarily need to fall in love with each other again or that if, because of the previous love they had and the memories they got back, they will fall in love no matter what.

Thank you for taking your time to help me out <3

Neither? XD Anon thinks that Alma and Kanda ARE the people the used to be, and they love each other. Anon is irritated because fans of other pairings want to use the the "different human beings" explanation so they can ship Kanda with someone else.

tl,dr: After your first love dies you can love again, no need ofdenying canon for shiping purposes.

I agree with anon.

Thank you so much for the explanation, I think i understood it now <3333

I personally think that Kanda and Alma are different human beings than what they were before because of the events lived with their new bodies, the education they received, pretty much everything else but it doesn't mean that because of these memories they can't get back together, live what they once had <3 I'm just not quite fond of the "Now you that you have your memories back, you must be what you once were!" sort of troope that some authors use, it doesn't feel ok to me at least.

But indeed, to deny a canon couple existence just because it does not fit your plans it's a bit unnecesary, DGM has pretty much time space to make Kanda develope another relationship and then make that relationship be confronted with this fact and see how things get solved. It could, in fact, prove to be good for a fic plot ;)

And indeed, after love dies you can love again <3

Again, thank you so much for your help <3

You're very welcome. ^^

I don't have a problem with the different human beings theory, the problem it's most fans use it for stupid reasons.

just not quite fond of the "Now you that you have your memories back, you must be what you once were!" sort of troope that some authors use, it doesn't feel ok to me at least.

THANK YOU. I hate it when characters are forced to be what their souls used to be, ESPECIALLY when it comes to feelings (because receiving responsabilities... bah, that I let pass, it's like the heritance of your family). They idea of soulmates is very romantic and I like it, but I prefer it when they show it in another way than making them love someone because of their fucking past lives memories. (This includes fanfiction. Some ships are hard to keep in universe, and making an AU with their reborn souls is an idea that appeals to me. Sadly most of those fics suck, because they're strangers or hate eahc other and suddenly bang! my dreams tell me to love you! Ugh.)

But even if I don't like it, if the author does it is canon, and I won't deny it. u_uU

Indeed, it doesn't feel right when a goody goody two shoes suddenly turns into a mad serial killer just because s/he got his/her memories back and thus all the good event s/he lived meanwhile, all the things s/he learned meanwhile, are completely rendered useless because s/he is naturally evil and has to be like that forever and ever no matter how many times s/he loses his/her memory or reincarnates.

But well, if the author uses it, we can't do anything about it but accept it. What is done, is done, let's find clever ways to use these things on our behalf ;)

People I've seen going "No! They have to be totally different people!" have been arguing more that even if Alma and Kanda as we know them aren't in romantic love now, the problem is that the past Kanda and Alma as they used to be were in love. So they have to prove that Kanda and Alma are not in any way the same person, even the same person with amnesia and new memories, because otherwise they used to be in love with someone and are thus incapable of being shipped with anyone else. For some reason.

The problem with the "they are totes 100% separate and new people with nothing to do with each other" argument is that the characters themselves see themselves as being the same people as they were before. Kanda became furious and asked what the researchers did to erase most of his memories and wanted to know how long it had been since he 'died' and he continued to long to see the flower lady from his memories.

Alma and/or his soul thought about events from the past and from later on as if they were both done by the exact same person, such as "If Yuu found out that I was "that person," then he would stop searching...The promise we made that day.." And then there was the stuff about "9 years ago, you destroyed me (boku) and lived on, Yuu. But that was to keep your promise with me (watashi), huh?".

Also with "I'm sure that you will search for me as long as you are alive. Perhaps you will someday realise that I am Alma, and that alone, I cannot bear".

So pretending the brain and soul have nothing whatsoever to do with the people the characters are now makes very little sense. :/ Yeah, they totally don't think they're the same people.

It just seems stupid to say the characters are completely separate just for the purpose of making sure "they" have never been in love before.

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