fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #1436 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1436 ⌋

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Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 055 secrets from Secret Submission Post #205.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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Not all characters enjoy the sex they are forced to have in kink memes. And it sometimes has nothing to do with their characters.

Hmm, I assume the secret maker was not calling rape victims 'whores'. But you make your own assumptions, whatever.

And you're right, it has nothing to do with the characters. Either way. It's not disrespectful to have a character enjoy bondage, any more than it's disrespectful to make them asexual, assuming there's nothing in canon to contradict either thing.

They weren't saying characters were whores, as far as I understood they meant the fandom was "using them as whores" as in treating them as such. Using them for soulless sexual satisfaction or something of that sort.
And I'm forced to disagree on your second point, because I'm not tolerant. Forcing my fav character to enjoy for example scat would be degrading them, thank you very much.

Oh, I'm sorry. I wouldn't have engaged with you at all if I'd realized you were a fetish-shaming bitch. My bad.

Not really, some fetishes are quite fine. But not fetishes are equal.

No, you don't get to pick and choose which (consensual) fetishes you get to accept and still deny that you're fetish-shaming.

Whether or not you find scat gross does not diminish its legitimacy. Someone who writes about your favorite character enjoying scat is doing it because that someone likes scat, and sees it as exciting and arousing. Them writing that fic is not disrespect.

Someone writing a fic about a character they hate performing a fetish that the author themselves finds wrong or gross or unappealing, that is disrespectful. Someone applying their own fetish, whatever it may be, to a character they like, is not wrong or disrespectful or any of the horrible things that intolerant bitches like you want them to think it is.

Okay. Let's imagine the following situation. (I know characters are fictional, the situation is like this for the sake of simplicity). You like scat. You see it as exciting. But then you tell everyone in college that X enjoys scat. How do you think, what will happen to X's reputation? You cannot be unaware of the fact that most people consider scat to be gross and disgusting. Thus X will be considered a person who enjoys gross and disgusting stuff.

Here the same. It's not disrespectful to imagine your favorite character enjoying the same things you enjoy, but by making them do it "in public", as in fanfiction or fanart, you make the rest of the fandom see them as gross or weird or whatever.

Except:

A) They ARE fictional, and thus have no reputation to ruin. And,

B) Unless a fanfic writer attempts to pass their works off as canon and written by the original source material's author, people who read a weird, kinky fic about a character do NOT see the character as a freaky fetishist. They see the WRITER as such. That's the writer's choice, and his or her burden to bear. If I write about a character I like having a daddy fetish, people who object to the kink don't then go back to the source material and go "Oh god gross, X wants Y to call him 'daddy' in bed", they think, "Oh gross, Anon likes it when Y calls X 'daddy' in bed".

The only reason to let fan interpretation of canon get in the way of your own views is if you believe that the alternate interpretation fits the character somehow. If you don't think character X would like a certain kink, seeing someone else assert their belief to the contrary shouldn't make you think that character X is now suddenly different.

Unless there's someone out there who's dim enough to believe that fanfiction changes canon in any way, there is no disrespect happening when someone makes their character enjoy their favorite kink, and dares to share their dirty, shameful kink in public.

Only I know a lot of people who admitted--even here at F!S--that reading a lot of nasty fic about their favorite chatacter skewers their perception somehow. Yes, it's their own problem, and it's a thing of emotions, not logic. But it goes to show that there is such a thing as a 'reputation' of a fictional character, meaning their public image, the way they are perceived by the fandom.

Not to mention the cases in which a character isn't just given some kink but also butchered into complete OOC by that.

It's still disrespect. It's like gossip. You know gossip isn't true to "canon", it doesn't make it any less gross.

What you are talking about is disrespect towards fans, not towards characters. Fictional characters are only what everyone sees them as. They do not have feelings the way real people do; they have the ideas of their creators. They can't experience shame or embarrassment unless their creator makes them do it. A character does not have the capacity to care what his fans feel about him.

And yes, it is disrespectful towards the FANDOM to write a strange kink and not properly warn for it, and force or trick people into reading it when they would otherwise avoid it. That's not cool, especially if there are people reading it who are easily influenced and will find it difficult to see that character the way they used to. Not acknowledging every fan's right to read what they prefer to read IS disrespectful. To the fans.

But writing your own kink and giving fair warning to the readers, that is not disrespectful to anyone. If someone sees warnings (as most kink memes have, usually right in the subject line of the prompt) and reads the fic anyway, they have no basis to cry foul.

If something makes you uncomfortable, that feeling is valid. Accusing the author of a kinky fic of disrespecting the characters is not. Your discomfort is not a universal truth. Don't hide behind supercilious accusations of canon compliance. Authors are more likely to respect your feelings if you respect theirs. Just be honest.

I love you so much for this.

I want to have your ebabies.

Ah but that's the point, I don't respect their feelings. And I don't expect them to respect mine. I simply express my disgust and my unpopular opinion.

Ideas have been sullied by all kinds of stupid people in different ways all through the history of mankind. Of course, ideas have no feelings of their own. But they have value.

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