Actually mushrooms have recently been discovered to be an adequate source of b12, recently read about it in the news. Furthermore, farmed animals are already supplemented with b12 because modern agricultural practices don't allow for the development of b12 on plant matter like it would in the wild. Whether you like it or not, you're already getting a supplement. Why not skip the middleman (or middlecow)? If you want b12 but are afraid of pills, just drink fortified soy/rice/nut milk and you'll be all set. Even energy drinks have b12 in them, it's everywhere. b12 is only needed in small amounts and stores in the body for years so you don't really even need that much. I personally never take pills and don't think about it much. I just get it when I drink soymilk. But really, I always found that excuse kind of weird. People who would rather kill an animal no different from our pet cats and dogs, than take a pill now and then. I can stop so much suffering just with one supplement, it's rather empowering really.
And I don't know about pushing. When people spread misinformation about veganism, I correct them. It's not like I run around calling people evil murderers. This isn't about you, this isn't about me, this is about the animals and their suffering. 50 billion animals die every year in the US alone, and often in the most horrible ways you can imagine. It causes untold environmental damage, and accounts for the main causes of death of America. This is hardly a trivial issue on which I will only speak when spoken to.
Ethical meat has its own problems, the main one being that when you don't have to eat meat to survive, there's no such thing as "ethical" meat. It also doesn't take into account how unsustainable and envrionmentally damaging even the most "ethical" meat is. We're talking about individuals with their own lives, their own wants, their own loves and hates.
I used to believe that trying to convince people to eat ethical meat was more effective, but it's easier, cheaper, more ethical, more environmentally friendly, and more human friendly to convince people to become veg. Most people that talk about ethical meat can't afford it anyway, rendering it utterly pointless, because those people that sing its praises are typically only buying it for special occasions, and eating Big Macs the rest of the time.
Btw, not trying to be a jerk about any of this. Just trying to address each of your points.
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If you want b12 but are afraid of pills, just drink fortified soy/rice/nut milk and you'll be all set. Even energy drinks have b12 in them, it's everywhere. b12 is only needed in small amounts and stores in the body for years so you don't really even need that much. I personally never take pills and don't think about it much. I just get it when I drink soymilk.
But really, I always found that excuse kind of weird. People who would rather kill an animal no different from our pet cats and dogs, than take a pill now and then. I can stop so much suffering just with one supplement, it's rather empowering really.
And I don't know about pushing. When people spread misinformation about veganism, I correct them. It's not like I run around calling people evil murderers. This isn't about you, this isn't about me, this is about the animals and their suffering. 50 billion animals die every year in the US alone, and often in the most horrible ways you can imagine. It causes untold environmental damage, and accounts for the main causes of death of America. This is hardly a trivial issue on which I will only speak when spoken to.
Ethical meat has its own problems, the main one being that when you don't have to eat meat to survive, there's no such thing as "ethical" meat. It also doesn't take into account how unsustainable and envrionmentally damaging even the most "ethical" meat is. We're talking about individuals with their own lives, their own wants, their own loves and hates.
I used to believe that trying to convince people to eat ethical meat was more effective, but it's easier, cheaper, more ethical, more environmentally friendly, and more human friendly to convince people to become veg. Most people that talk about ethical meat can't afford it anyway, rendering it utterly pointless, because those people that sing its praises are typically only buying it for special occasions, and eating Big Macs the rest of the time.
Btw, not trying to be a jerk about any of this. Just trying to address each of your points.