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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-01-23 04:09 pm

[ SECRET POST #1482 ]


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Notes:

Sorry, fixed the date on the subs post. It should have read "first secret post will be January 29th," not the 22nd.

Secrets Left to Post: 14 pages, 332 secrets from Secret Submission Post #212.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 3 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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[identity profile] cypherwulf.livejournal.com 2011-01-24 02:43 am (UTC)(link)
If you read my response to him, you'll see my thoughts on scientific journals and how it shows only one side to things, namely the cold, Descartian, machine side to things.

[identity profile] xenafox.livejournal.com 2011-01-24 02:51 am (UTC)(link)
I did read them, I've read most of the comments here. You're only showing one side and calling it the correct one to boot. A good case of pot calling the kettle black.

You can be as vegan as you want to be but my jaw is literally dropping at how it seems you outright refuse or just don't understand basic animal bio/behavior.

[identity profile] cypherwulf.livejournal.com 2011-01-24 02:57 am (UTC)(link)
I understand quite a bit about animal behavior after being in their company all my life and studying from books and journals. Your jaw is dropping because I acknowledge that they don't want to die? Seriously? How much of a stretch is it to say that? There are many sentient and self aware animals out there such as dolphins, elephants, pigs, and great apes. I honestly thought it was common knowledge. Apparently it's not as common as I'd hoped.

[identity profile] xenafox.livejournal.com 2011-01-24 03:04 am (UTC)(link)
There are many. Not all. You are using it to make a twisted point that is nonsensical and not valid. But, whatever. This is just a thread of you trying to force your exact ideals on other people, not just to defend a vegan lifestyle.

(Anonymous) 2011-01-24 03:08 am (UTC)(link)
I've been following this debate as a lurker, because it's interesting to me--I work in conservation and am a vegetarian (environmental reasons--while I wouldn't call myself an animal activist I am definitely an environmental activist). Out of curiosity, how much have you worked with animals--and how much would you say folks in any animal activism you've been involved with work with animals? I saw "The Cove" (for what that's worth) and have some periphery awareness, but as someone who has worked on farms, fished salmon in Alaska, and killed snakes to feed to endangered birds...I don't really get the impression that many veg*n/ag-focused animal activists have worked closely with animals.

I'm not trying to discredit your arguments, I really am just curious about this. I rarely encounter animal activists as such in my work; lots of veg*ns and people with strong opinions but those opinions are generally welfare focused (i.e. enrichment for captive animals, and opinions about how farm animals should be treated).

Incidentally, Sara Gruen's "Ape House" is an interesting book.

-ka

[identity profile] cypherwulf.livejournal.com 2011-01-24 03:13 am (UTC)(link)
Lived on an animal farm for a couple of years, and I've been to a few sanctuaries, and known many companion animals. That's pretty much all my real world experience though. I'd love to work in a sanctuary but they tend to be far out of the way, and I don't drive.

With that, I think I'm done for tonight. I could respond to people well into tomorrow but I'd like to use the rest of my evening for something other than debate XD. It's been fun everyone, keep it real.

(Anonymous) 2011-01-24 03:17 am (UTC)(link)
Sounds like solid experience to me; or at the very least, enough to form an opinion that's not totally unfounded.

Peace out.

-ka