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⌈ Secret Post #1509 ⌋

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I have seen wanky discussions on this, but not on F!S and not on the blogs I've seen, beyond ONTD and a certain LJ comm I'm not sure we can mention. "Privilege" can be a useful word in discussions like this. Has it been misused? Yes, but I don't think that some misuse means that the term should never be used, or one looks dumb or pretentious.

How is "orient-made" any less offensive than "oriental"? Plus, I don't think a white woman has any right reclaiming Asian slurs.

Personally I have definitely seen a lot of wanky discussions here (and at ONTD and its spinoffs and that other comm, because I think we're thinking of the same one--why the hell can't we mention it?!). I think the idea of privilege is certainly useful in some contexts, but around these parts I just see it used absurdly so incredibly often that I feel like it's just better to avoid it, for the most part. I mean, everyone here is privileged. There's just no denying it. So to hear someone pontificating about how this show/movie/comment/whatever is SOOOOO offensive and they have the right to judge just how privilege-y it is--it's just incredibly obnoxious to me. But that's just, like, my opinion, man.

It refers to the place more than the person, and as far as I've heard that's less directly offensive, but I do agree with the second part. Just to play devil's advocate I'd say that the song isn't meant to be entirely from her point of view--like, she said it was an anthem, meaning that the "I" in the song isn't necessarily her, it's everyone who's singing it. So it's not "I'm allowed to say these terms; fuck haters," it's more "you're allowed to say them and not let them be used against you by stupid people." That could be reaching, though, and I very much understand why people would find it problematic. (However, I also must add that a LOT of people are just looking for reasons to hate on her because she's popular, and "OMG SHE'S A RACIST" sound a lot more meaningful than "I'm sick of her weird outfits. Whether there's a good point in there or not seems to be kinda secondary. Just sayin'.)

The only wanky BTW discussion I've seen on F!S involved a well established troll. I agree that everyone has song degree of privilege, particularly if one is on F!S and is privileged enough to be on the internet for leisure, but I don't think different sorts of privilege cancel out any forms of oppression, and vice versa.

I think a lot of the people that are just looking to hate her are going more with the Madonna rip-off route, from what I've seen. Plus, a lot of the people angry about this are disappointed fans like myself.

and at ONTD and its spinoffs and that other comm, because I think we're thinking of the same one--why the hell can't we mention it?!
With the PA controversy, a lot of threads mentioning it were frozen so I'm not sure if I should bring it up in this topic. I looked and saw no Gaga wank there, surprisingly, but I'd still rather not take the chance.

and at ONTD and its spinoffs

Well, there's your problem.

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