[ SECRET POST #1535 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1535 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 058 secrets from Secret Submission Post #219.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

Uhm, do you even know what the Bechdel Test is? (http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/34585797_d7fd14edfb.jpg) (Hint: it has nothing to do with "strong female characters")

[oxfordtweed]

Yep. And I still think it's bollocks.

But I don't count, because I'm part of the cockfest.

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

Oh, I see. You're one of those people that thinks no one should critique media for lack of representation, aren't you? That's all the Test does, after all-- it points out that a significant amount of media lacks representation, even when there is no plot reason to be that way.

Oh, right, sorry. I know absolutely no men who care about women's representation in medi-- Oh wait. No. You're just an asshole.

[oxfordtweed]

And no one's forcing you to watch it. There are plenty of other things on the telly that aren't cockfests.

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

Did I say anyone was forcing me to watch it? As mentioned earlier, I enjoy the Canon. I found the BBC show problematic in certain ways, but enjoyable as well. Strangely, I can acknowledge something as problematic and still enjoy it.

I'm just taking issue with the fact the people seem to be reading something into the Bechdel Test that doesn't actually exist.

[oxfordtweed]

So then why on Earth are you flipping your shit over it if it doesn't bother you to begin with?

Good grief.

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

Do you just selectively read my posts or something?

I'm just taking issue with the fact the people seem to be reading something into the Bechdel Test that doesn't actually exist.

That help? Or do I need to get the sparklefont?

[oxfordtweed]

You're a very angry person. Has anyone ever told you that?

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

I'm sorry you don't understand the difference between facepalming aggravation and actual anger. :(

Would you have liked my ~tone~ better if I'd used the sparklefont? Would it have made me sound more palatable to your delicate male ears?

[oxfordtweed]

Your allcapsing at people everywhere on this post over a stupid internet thing. I'd call that anger, yes.

Go have a hot bath and a cuppa. You'll feel better.

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

My allcapsing what?

Oh yes, one sentence of all caps in one multi-paragraph post in one thread is totally angry.

[oxfordtweed]

How many times have you insulted the male gender?

How many times have I insulted the female gender?


Seriously. Step away from the internet, because it's not doing you any good.

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

I have... made a couple of comments about Sherlock being a "cockfest" because it's got a predominantly male cast, and made a snide remark about your ears because you used the tone argument.

So... None. And none, I suppose, so that's one point in your favor. Good job. :)

[oxfordtweed]

Would you have liked my ~tone~ better if I'd used the sparklefont? Would it have made me sound more palatable to your delicate male ears?

Oh. Right.


Cheers, mate. You keep replying, but you're no longer interesting to me.

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

Yeah, we know what the bechdel test is. But this is a show that is firmly fixed in the POV of two male characters. It follows them from place to place and concentrates on the things that effect them.

All the other characters, male and female, interact with the main characters and only the main characters. Even the male secondary characters don't interact with anyone else. Even the villains and the victims of the don't talk to people other than the male leads.

[ryuutchi.livejournal.com]

That's fine. I'm just taking issue with the characterization of the Bechdel test as anything other than a quick and dirty yardstick that is about two women talking to each other about something other than a man. It says nothing about "strong women", as the person above seemed to think.

That the series itself doesn't pass it does not actually bother me a whole hell of a lot. It's only a couple episodes, it has a lot of other issues that I'd rather complain about.

[oxfordtweed]

Now I really want to know what lunch hour is like for Mike and Molly. Imagine the conversations they must have.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

Oh, man.... Mike and Molly as friends who (playfully) make fun of Sherlock behind his back... DO WANT!

[oxfordtweed]

QUICK! To the meme before it freezes!

[(Anonymous)]

but the point is that the Bechdel Test is meaningless in relation to one show. It's only meaningful because taken as a series of data points (aka comparisons of numerous shows/books/movies whatever) it can be a useful tool for illuminating the lack of main female characters overall.

That doesn't mean one show that fails is sexist, wrong, or that people who like it are sexist.