[ SECRET POST #1535 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1535 ⌋

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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 058 secrets from Secret Submission Post #219.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[gabzillaz.livejournal.com]

I think the Bechdel test thing is a load of bollocks anyway, personally. Why does a work have to have 'strong' female characters in order to be valid?

You can't blame people from complaining at the lack of well developed female characters.

Not saying you can't find it fun, but dismissing the valid complaints of fans who would like to see well developed female characters in a show they like is not exactly fair, is it?

[(Anonymous)]

Well yeah, they can (and did!), it just makes them obnoxious.

[gabzillaz.livejournal.com]

*edit*

ack, I'm sorry, I think I misunderstood your comment >___>

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

Only, the Bechdel test doesn't test for developed female characters. If there are two women who talk about buying shoes or changing nappies, it would still pass the test, and I do not find that particularly empowering...

[gabzillaz.livejournal.com]

The tone of the secret implies the OP doesn't really care about strong of well developed female characters.

And what exactly is wrong with buying shoes and changing nappies? If the women in question like to do that, I don't see anything wrong with it.

[kallanda-lee.livejournal.com]

In that case there's nothing wrong with talking about men either, because a lot of women like talking about men.

There's nothing wrong about talking about nappies or shoes ( wait, there are people who LIKE talking about nappies? ), but is does reinforce certain clichés (women want to buy stuff, women are interested in babies). So excuse me if I do not find those particular conversations thrilling to see, either. Just because they're talking about something other then men, doesn't make them interesting, or a strong character.
So I'm basically stating that the test doesn't actually prove much. Except that there were two women in it, who talked, but not about men. Which really doesn't say much at all.

I see the secret differently, because of all the fandoms to pick this battle over, I really don't think Sherlock should be the one.It really IS about Holmes and Watson, who, you know, are men. I do not see the added value of having two female side-characters interacting extensively...in this particular show.

[gabzillaz.livejournal.com]

There's nothing wrong with it... unless you have a high number of shows and movies were men is the only thing female characters talk about.

The test is not about movies being feminist or even good - heck, SatC passes it -, it's about how so many movies follow the same pattern. The OP implied that she didn't care about female characters getting development either. Which is fine. But complaining about people who do care? Eh, yeah...

I don't watch the show but I read the books. And I always wanted more female characters. And I'm sure others do. Just because the main charactes are male, doesn't mean you can't have interesting SECONDARY female characters.