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⌈ Secret Post #1538 ⌋

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Ah, so you've noticed that the most vocal critics usually happen to only be so-so fic writers too, huh? It's funny how that works.

The critics, as well as the enablers who preach to throngs of budding and/or talentless writers that they don't deserve to have people make them "feel bad" and say "mean" things to them about their writing, because they're trying hard and that should be enough to earn them coos and adulations from the fandom at large.

Of course, many of these people turn right around then and advertise their own stories as superlative in the art form, regardless of their own actual talent. It's all in the name of collecting fans.

Completely unrelated, but what a nice lion photo!

Mmm, I agree. This is especially bad in the KH fandom, when people rant about badly done OCs, and then turn around to brag about their just-as-cringe-worthy OCs. It's just like... what? Also, I think people go down WAY too hard on Mary Sue writers, considering that's how most people start out.

Pretty much sums this one up.

You know the cliche, it's easier to be a critic than an artist. Well it's a cliche because it's usually pretty true.

...Is this about Red Lioness? PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS ABOUT RED LIONESS AND HER "MARY SUE REBUTTAL".

If it's not it should be.

It seems like it. I dunno who that is, but the secret's subtlety about it is punching me in the face. What's the scoop on her, though?

She wrote a really tacky manifesto recently on the validity of Mary Sues, and conflated it all with her personal dislike of slash, and basically called everyone who writes fanfiction without OCs a sub-standard ficwriter.

This. It was basically about how Mary Sues are a tool for learning writers, nevermind that this is what she writes all the time herself and won't hear a negative word said about it.

Not to mention how even though we all start out as bad writers, apparently we should never actually point out this bad writing and let them magically improve through the power of self-confidence.

She's a Suethor who has a habit of latching onto a popular slash ship in a fandom, writing a few stories for them and making friends with other writers of the same ship, then abandoning the ship when she starts to get popular and focusing on her female OCs. She also refuses to listen to criticism of any kind (but especially about her OCs), often intially misinterpretting or misrepresenting it to make herself out to be a martyr.

Lately, she has taken upon herself to preach about how since everyone starts out as bad writers, no one has any right to criticize other bad writers, especially over Mary Sues (which she doesn't actually believe exists). She's trying to make herself out to be a crusader for novice writers and the writers of female OCs, despite the fact that, while she demands support for her OCs and dismisses any criticism as coming from "haters" and "rabid slash fans," she rarely shows support for the female OCs of other writers, especially if they are paired with the same canon male she has paired her OCs with.

There's more, but this is the most relevant to the secret.

Hmm, I just read the Mary-Sue Rebuttal. There is a line about constructive criticism. One. She has some points, but very incomplete and...yeah, she doesn't seem very sincere. Honestly I think that the better advice would be to tell people to say 'lol yeah I like writing Sues, deal with it'

It's her attitude really. She does have some points, but the execution is incredibly flawed and self-serving. She pretty much dismisses criticism as the ravings of impotent haters, when the fact it that most bad writers won't improve without being exposed to criticism in some form. She also makes sweeping generalizations (apparently I simply can't exist because I both have developed OCs of my own and will offer concrit to the creators of badly developed OCs and will call a Sue a Sue) and is letting her anti-slash bias show.

Better advice would be "Write what you want, but know the rules before you break them," which applies to all facets of original and fanwriting, not just the intergration of OCs.

Don't forget her flagrant misrepresentation of polyamories, which she will actually argue are correcte depictions.

Yes, apparently polyamory is all about the majority of the group worshipping and waiting on a single member of the group, who then talks about them to others in a rather degrading, chauvanistic manner.

It's one of the more disingenuous things I've ever seen written in fandom, and that's really saying something.

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