[ SECRET POST #1544 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1544 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

He's always portrayed with the Union Flag, never the English flag. He's called "Igirisu" not "Ingurando" in Japanese and in that song "Pub and Go" he literally sings "I'm UK." (Ware wa UK)

Besides, his brothers have only ever been mentioned.

Frankly, I see him as England, representing the UK... but also being the UK. He's only England in domestic affairs, so he would represent/be the union, meaning that he's the personification of the UK, despite also being England's personification while Scotland, Wales and (possibly) Northern Ireland having their own personifications as well.

So if each of the nations have the strength of their countries, then England would have the strength of England and the UK, meaning that he has his brothers' strength as well, because he's the UK.

To go into more detail on "Pub and Go" he sings/says "My name is (igirisu) United Kingdom/Britain. My formal name is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland." in the beginning. If that doesn't say it all, nothing will.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

How can he be England and the United Kingdom at the same time? How can he be England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland when we know they have a separate, independent existence? IMHO, being and representing are two different things: using my previous example, Russia represents the Soviet Union but he's still Russia and Poland+Lithuania are the Commonwealth but remain Poland and Lithuania.

I think this boils down to what you think the characters represent. I understand them as nations not as political entities.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I think you're confusing your headcanon with canon. In the strips, England is stated as the UK through igirisu, which means Great Britain. It's canon.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

Point taken.

[(Anonymous)]

When did I ever say they were political entities? Please don't put words in my mouth.

... They're human personifications of nations. How much logic can you possibly find in this?

Why is Prussia still around despite not being a proper nation anymore?

Why did Ancient Egypt/Greece have a kid and "died" when China's still around?

How the hell was Rome the "Roman Empire" despite all the other nations existing?

Why are there two Italies despite it being one country? Also, why are they Rome's grandchildren and not children like Ancient Egypt/Greece with Egypt/Greece... and where are their parents?

If you're going to be completely anal and go "ONLY CANON", then you know what? He's not England at all. He's just the UK. Problem solved.

[lovelycudy.livejournal.com]

Point taken.

[ecoerrante.livejournal.com]

Just to put this out there, but *because* he's representing the UK when it comes to international matters, it does follow that the other countries would be treating him that way, if only in public/business matters. In that set up, I'd think it would make more sense to call him the UK, unless there was a specific reason that whatever was going on was only dealing with the 'England' part of the UK. After that, people [and I'd assume personifications] tend to get into the habit of calling someone something, that could lead to it following over into non-public/business related parts of his life.

Granted, that's just what I think. ^^;;

[(Anonymous)]

LOL at Ingurando. No one says "Ingurando." Not arguing your point, but that part of your argument would work a lot better if anyone actually used "Ingurando."

[(Anonymous)]

Look it up in a dictionary. And believe me, I have met people who say (or write) "ingurando" to be specific. Not the most used word, no. But if you want to be specific, you use "ingurando", not "igirisu".

My classmate, and yes, I am in Japan, wrote an essay, in Japanese, about stereotypes about English people. And so it would be specific to England and not the UK, she wrote "ingurando".

Sorry. People can and do say/write "ingurando".

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

^What the other anon said. And brace yourself for a shock: Sukottorando, Weeruzu and Kita-Airurando exist as well. They don't appear too often for obvious reasons, but they're used when referring specifically to the countries and their people, such as in sports coverage, etc. Hell, the Japanese Hetalia fandom uses Ingurando: most writers I've seen have his brothers call him that in fanfics.

tl;dr: the word exists, people use it.

UHARD UNWASHED FAX

[(Anonymous)]

LOL AS IF HIMARUYA GIVES ONE SINGLE VIRGIN FUCK ABOUT POLITICAL OR HISTORICAL CORRECTNESS. HE'S JUST TROLLING THE SHIT OF YOU ASPIRING KKK MEMBERS FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES.

Re: UHARD UNWASHED FAX

[(Anonymous)]

well darn. I think I'll pull on my pointy little white hat and bedsheet and go hunt me some trolls.