[ SECRET POST #1562 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1562 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

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Comments

[oberongeiger.livejournal.com]

Characters tend to take on lives of their own after a little while. Anybody with a proper mindset can get into the head of a well-defined character after proper exposure. That's why TV shows have multiple writers on-staff, and why comics have untold hundreds of writers over a character's career. And those individual authors will very, very frequently fail to make the interpretations gel with one another.

Hell, sometimes a creator, who is the sole author of a character, will dramatically change how a character is written, and give them a whole new trait or even make them do things that were previously 100% against who they were, just because said creator/author had a "new idea." Laurel K. Hamilton sure did it.

Or sometimes a creator known for defining specific characters will lose his or her mind and completely change everything about them, even going against their own continuity. Like Frank Miller.

So really, I feel like anybody who follows a given character is pretty entitled to say that X character won't be happy with Y character. Or that they will be eternally happy. Or that they'll be happy for a while and then it'll fall apart. Or whatever they want.

These things are just so open to interpretation after a while, because characters take on their own existence to the point that no one really gets to be more definitively correct than anybody else.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

Pretty much this. Just because you wrote the character doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it without people being like o.O when you do a character 180.

[checkerblob.livejournal.com]

Just because you wrote the character doesn't mean you can do whatever you want with it without people being like o.O when you do a character 180.
This sums up my feelings pretty well. I don't like fandoms full of whining, complaining and negativity, but I'd take that over a fandom of blind praise and mindless squeeing.
Of course, my ideal would be a fandom of thoughtful constructive criticism with healthy bouts of squeeing, but you get what you get.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd like to point out that the things I think of as the two biggest examples of "the creators didn't make it canon so they are evil" shipping drama, Harry/Hermione and Katara/Zuko, weren't caused by character derailment, but rather because the creators had a situation where there were two ships that were equally popular and in-character and had to pick one.

Basically? Worrying about canon ruins shipping.

[fenm.livejournal.com]

and had to pick one

In both of these cases, it seems to me that the ship we finally ended up with was being developed before the other ship (or even the fandom itself) became popular. Aang and Katara was being hinted at in episode 1, and Hr/R was being hinted at in CoS (book 2). So, the creator(s) had ALREADY picked one.

[judo-creature.livejournal.com]

this.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you even write original fiction? Because it sure sounds like you don't, in which case you need to STFU because you don't know what you're talking about.

If you do, I'm shocked. You are obviously a far less possessive creator than I am. I don't care if people write fanfiction about my original characters. But my canon is canon, and no fan has a say as to whether I'm writing my characters correctly or not. They're mine, as much as my children are.

[masked-creator.livejournal.com]

I have to agree. I do think characters take on a life of their own after a while, but I think if a character suddenly drastically changes out of nowhere, it's the author's fault; but the author is pretty much God in a sense. In their world it's just someone doing a personality 180. You can call it shitty writing but the author's characters are theirs, their creation, and they know them better than anyone else. That means a character can turn out to be someone lousy all along. It really blows when a character changes for the worse--it's like knowing a friend who becomes a jerk overnight. But it happens in real life, so I don't think it's a stretch to think it can't happen in fiction too. There is a difference between writing good and bad transitions though.

[oberongeiger.livejournal.com]

You can call it shitty writing but the author's characters are theirs, their creation, and they know them better than anyone else.

I think the fact that an author can actually screw up their own continuity, which fans then point out, indicate that it's possible for fans to know the characters even better than the original author.

Of course, I'm a hyper-stickler for continuity. I think it's God's Law and I research my own continuity meticulously.

[masked-creator.livejournal.com]

Fair enough. Continuity is very important. If Character A hated Character B and then suddenly wanted to date them out of nowhere, I'd call bullshit too.

[(Anonymous)]

But in the end, it's the creator's choice whether to do that or not. The fans may get their panties in a twist over it, but they don't have any right to say that their fantasy!canon where A and B don't get together is any more right or better than actual canon, which is what bothers me about ship wars. When fans become delusional enough to think that their opinions are more right than that of canon.

A fan may not agree with canon. Canon may not be well written or explained. But canon is canon, and there's no changing that.

[oberongeiger.livejournal.com]

Yeah, I do, thanks.

And of course the creative team/creator's canon is the "official" canon.

But everybody's allowed to have their opinion on how we fuck up our characters, or how other people fuck up their characters. Everybody can have their own canon in their own head. As creators, we shouldn't be beating people into "This is the way it is, and therefore it's right because I fucking said so."

[(Anonymous)]

But everybody's allowed to have their opinion

But that's it. It's an opinion, in which case, they don't have the right to get all bitchy over it. Sure, us creators may screw something up, we may do a 180 on a character without rightfully explaining it, but they're ours. Fans don't have the right to get honest to God angry over canon being "wrong," or even the right to say it's "wrong," because it's not their's. They don't own it. They're fans.

Sure they can have head!canon, but another way to say that is: mental fanfiction. It's when people get they're opinionated head!canon mixed up with real canon, and then get pissy about it, that I put my foot down. Sure, a fan may say it's not in character for Character A to do such or Character B to do that, but they're not in the position to get pissed that it happened, or ignore the fact that it did.

Fans are just that: fans. They need to stop thinking they know better than creators, because, in the end, the stories don't belong to them, they belong to the creators, and, as the poster above stated, in stories, creators are God.

As creators, we shouldn't be beating people into "This is the way it is, and therefore it's right because I fucking said so."

So basically, I'm disagreeing. I'm not saying creators should stifle creativity, or say no to fans writing fanfiction, but when it comes to canon, creators have every right to say, "This is how it is because that's the way it works."

I know many people in TV write to the fans, and a lot of big name authors eventually start to do it too, but as for me, and a boatload of other creators, I do what I do because I like it. I write what I write, and my fans don't have a say in any of it. I'll write my stories with fans, I'll write them without them. But, in my opinion, it's when creators start to let their fans' voices influence them, that stories and characters really start to change, and it's usually for the worse.

[strangetwn-god.livejournal.com]

Actually, yes I do. And personally, I'm often thrilled when a reader comes up with an interesting interpretation I hadn't considered. But then again, I'm a filthy postmodernist when it comes to fiction and see it as more of a dialogue than a lecture.

[veronica-rich.livejournal.com]

Hell, sometimes a creator, who is the sole author of a character, will dramatically change how a character is written, and give them a whole new trait or even make them do things that were previously 100% against who they were, just because said creator/author had a "new idea." Laurel K. Hamilton sure did it.

Or sometimes a creator known for defining specific characters will lose his or her mind and completely change everything about them, even going against their own continuity. Like Frank Miller.

I think you picked the wrong selection for Hamilton. ;-)