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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-04-16 04:41 pm

[ SECRET POST #1565 ]


⌈ Secret Post #1565 ⌋

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[identity profile] fygar-dragon.livejournal.com 2011-04-19 09:52 am (UTC)(link)
And I like the good-natured loser who does their best at everything but fails at life in general, as well as the sarcastic one-liner character, and the jerk with a heart of gold. I also despise tsunderes.

But that would take a lot of effort compared to, "Yo, Shinra, can I crash with you?", and she had the added benifit of him knowing exactly what she was there for, what she actually was, and she could lounge around the apartment without worrying about some nosy landlady walking in and finding out she has no head. Plus, she got along fine with Shinra, when he wasn't telling her OMG YOU DON'T NEED YOUR HEAD YOU ONLY NEED ME STOP LOOKING FOR YOUR HEAD SERIOUSLY YOU DON'T EVEN NEED IT I'M NEVER TELLING YOU WHERE IT IS SO STOP LOOKING FOR IT NOW.

Shinra's input was entirely unnecessary. Sure, it may have worked in the long run, but only because Shinra was actively manipulating Celty into stopping searching for her head and to just accept that she only needs him already, jeez.

Whether Celty needed her head or not, she wanted it, and that's what matters. She wanted it enough to spend her entire time without it searching for it, and to hop continents in order to find it.

Dullahans are supposed to have heads, just like humans are supposed to have heads, so who knows how Celty's perspective changed without it? If I could survive without my head, and someone stole my head off me, you're damn right that I'd want my head back more than anything else. It's a part of me, just like Celty's head is a part of her. It just happened to not be attached to her body.

That's how Celty felt, so in the end, it doesn't matter that Celty didn't need it, because Celty definitely and undeniably wanted it, and Shinra was trying to coerce her out of it just so she'd abandon her no.1 goal and spend all her time playing waifu to him.

[identity profile] miezen.livejournal.com 2011-04-19 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)
This is true, but Celty is not a lazy person. She could've spruced up an abandoned building and been fine with that; I'm sure a dullahan would be used to less than luxurious living arrangements. She was willing to live in the cargo hold of a ship, after all. If she really had a problem with Shinra she could've gone somewhere else and I think she probably would've.

And really, I do not see it as manipulation. It was merely a suggestion; ultimately it was Celty's decision as to whether or not she agreed with him. He never actually stopped her from finding her head. He withheld information from her, yes, and that wasn't cool but people aren't perfect and they do act selfishly sometimes, and Shinra could have made much worse decisions.

Also, it should be noted that a lot of Celty's reasoning for wanting her head back had to do with curiosity. Personality-wise she was happy with herself. She was happy with the friends she had and with being with Shinra. Sure, finding her head may have been a good thing for her, but it could also have resulted in a complete change in her personality. Deep down, Celty is a good person who wants to do good things and help people, but what is a dullahan? A bringer of death. Celty getting her head back could have changed her into the monster that various extras continually assumed she was due to her being headless. She wouldn't have wanted that.

But my point is that I see it as it being a self acceptance message. It calls into question why she wanted it. I think it's meant to be a more abstract parallel to things like this that real people go through. People who want to be taller, shorter, have bigger breasts, be blonde, have a smaller nose, be thinner (strictly because of looks), etc. There is someone out there who would love a person with these flaws for who they are, just like Shinra loves Celty even though she's a dullahan without a head.

[identity profile] fygar-dragon.livejournal.com 2011-04-21 01:58 pm (UTC)(link)
But she didn't have a problem with Shinra, when he wasn't going "hey celty you know that head you desperately want, you should probably stop searching for it because i don't like the idea of you having it".

It wasn't a suggestion. To quote my friend, he knew where it was THE ENTIRE TIME but didn't bother telling her, while still going on all come ooonn, celtyyyy, you only need meeee. and implying that she should give up because she'd never find it or whatever.

He was trying to stop her from finding the thing she said she wanted so badly, just because HE liked her better without it.

my computer is super slow so I'll reply more later