case: (Default)
Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-04-28 07:47 pm

[ SECRET POST #1577 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1577 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


01.



__________________________________________________

02. [repeat]


__________________________________________________

03.


__________________________________________________

04.


__________________________________________________

05.


__________________________________________________

06.


__________________________________________________

07.


__________________________________________________

08.


__________________________________________________

09.


__________________________________________________

10.


__________________________________________________

TRIGGER WARNING FOR RAPE

11.


__________________________________________________

12.


__________________________________________________

13.


__________________________________________________

14.


__________________________________________________

15.


__________________________________________________

16. [repeat]


__________________________________________________

17.


__________________________________________________

18.


__________________________________________________

19.


__________________________________________________

20.


__________________________________________________

21.


__________________________________________________

22.


__________________________________________________

23.


__________________________________________________

24. [broken link]


__________________________________________________

25.


__________________________________________________

26.


__________________________________________________

27.


__________________________________________________

28.


__________________________________________________

29.


__________________________________________________

30.


__________________________________________________

31.


__________________________________________________

32.


__________________________________________________

33.


__________________________________________________

34.


__________________________________________________

35.


__________________________________________________

36.


__________________________________________________

37.


__________________________________________________

38.


__________________________________________________

39.



Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 044 secrets from Secret Submission Post #225.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeats ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

[identity profile] twenty-rooks.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
The problem is that female characters aren't allowed to simply be characters (even by their defenders!) but have to be representations of What A Woman Is.

Personally, I think that the badly written female characters are badly written because the writers didn't succeed in what they were aiming for (trying to write an independent woman but still not allowing her to actually be independent, for example), not because they are written as a weak person. Some women are weak/cowards/unintelligent/ and so on, just like some men.

Generally I think that everyone would do better in stop trying to write the perfect woman and try to write as many variations as male characters are afforded instead.

[identity profile] interrobangings.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
i like this comment

[identity profile] gethenian.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 12:16 am (UTC)(link)

The problem is that female characters aren't allowed to simply be characters (even by their defenders!) but have to be representations of What A Woman Is.


THISTHISTHISTHISTHIS. THIS. SO. MUCH.

The only truly "wrong" thing about how any female character is portrayed is an audience mistaking a female character for a female role model. Or an audience thinking that all females in fiction have to represent something essential about female-ness rather than just being individuals.

[identity profile] twenty-rooks.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
Yes! The only problem is when a female character is supposed to be a role model (or someone to be admired for certain traits or actions) but the writing is failing to believably portray her as such. Like if they're supposed to be extremely competent at what they do, don't have them make beginners mistakes in their area of expertise to further the plot, and similar.

[identity profile] gethenian.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 12:32 am (UTC)(link)
Or when they suffer from Dumbass in Distress Disorder.

[identity profile] unifilar.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 03:37 am (UTC)(link)
^ please tell me that was a Nostalgia Critic reference? =D

[identity profile] unifilar.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 03:44 am (UTC)(link)
Woohoo! <3

Love the icon, too.

[identity profile] gethenian.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 04:22 am (UTC)(link)
Thankee! :D

[identity profile] justaminuet.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 12:28 am (UTC)(link)
This so much. Female characters are not there to be the representation of womanhood. And no female character, unless poorly written, is a "wrong" or "bad" female, as women are just as diverse in personalities as men. And even if the fault lays in the writing, it doesn't make her a bad woman, just a bad character. And that's the writer's fault, not the character's gender.

[identity profile] rosehiptea.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 01:15 am (UTC)(link)
I agree.

And I like having female characters not be perfect because I'm not perfect. Sure I like having one who can take on five armed attackers single-handed and never lets life her get her down, but if they were all like that, well, they'd all be the opposite of me.

[identity profile] alliterations.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 12:34 am (UTC)(link)
Generally I think that everyone would do better in stop trying to write the perfect woman and try to write as many variations as male characters are afforded instead.

A+

[identity profile] philstar22.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 07:10 am (UTC)(link)
I agree. The biggest problem is that there are, most of the time, fewer female characters than male. Therefore, they are more likely to be less varied and fit more into stereotypes. Because there are usually more male characters, they can be more varied, be less cliched, and have something in at least one of them that people can relate to. That is failed writing and poor characterization, though, and can happen to male characters sometimes too. It has nothing to do with them being bad women. Writers just need to start writing more female characters, both as main and as secondary.

[identity profile] masked-creator.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 02:36 am (UTC)(link)
Have an internet.

[identity profile] deciphre.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 04:35 am (UTC)(link)
You rock.

[identity profile] formula-410.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 05:50 am (UTC)(link)
This is such a great comment, thank you.

[identity profile] anthropomorphe.livejournal.com 2011-04-29 01:36 pm (UTC)(link)
I would seriously give you my first born as a sign of respect for this comment, but idk I'm pretty sure there's laws against that.