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fandomsecrets2011-04-28 07:47 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2011-04-28 07:47 pm
[ SECRET POST #1577 ]
Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.
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(Anonymous) 2011-04-29 01:00 am (UTC)(link)Too bad when you get shows like that, people complain that the writer is trying for ~grrl power~ or whatever and then bitch about said book/movie/TV show/whatever ANYWAY. Usually because omg one girl is ~too feminine~ or another is ~too sexual~ or another is ~too weak~ and obviously everyone IRL embodies every personality trait/quality possible! Or they find something else to complain about.
E.g., Sailor Moon is ~anime omg~, Pretty Little Liars is ~guilty pleasure~, Sucker Punch is ~sexist~ ... etc, etc. Female-oriented shows are always criticized for something -- which is probably why there aren't a lot of [whatever] with lead female characters, and then that minimizes the chance of girls having (shockingly) different personalities.
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afaksfjaf I hate that so much, especially Sucker Punch. Why the fuck Zach "For my first original script I will write a story about women working together to achieve their goals, and also I will try to critique the patriarchy!" Snyder gets more heat than, say, Christopher "My thirty-something dude protagonist needs more angst, KILL A CHICK" Nolan, I will never understand.)
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(Anonymous) 2011-04-29 06:55 am (UTC)(link)(And I'm generally against all this fandom SJ bullshit to begin with, so it says something that Sucker Punch got me riled enough to wank.)
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1) Sweet Pea took a while to come around, yes, but she isn't being rewarded for sticking to the status quo; she escapes by eventually defying it. Also, she was very explicitly not okay with the status quo, but she was initially more afraid of getting her sister killed.
2) The plan was "locate exit and key, create distraction, stab anyone who gets in our way." Not unnecessarily complicated, but it would work.
3) Yes. The escape was powered by Baby Doll's unseen dancing. This would be a case of a woman turning her exploitation back on itself and taking control by using it to further her own ends.
And the outfits thing is a complicated question. First of all, the intent seems to be to shame the people who might normally be aroused by it; second, it makes sense from a psychological standpoint if the girls had in some way internalized the idea that they had to be sexy (which happens).
Most of all, though, the fact that they looked sexy does not erase the fact that it's still a movie about a group of women coming together and supporting each other to achieve their own ends, and that the story was entirely about their journey and their struggle to gain control of their own lives. I am sure as hell not saying it was perfect, but I'm saying that's a lot closer to right than a story wherein women don't even have a presence or personality and are immediately killed off not so that we will mourn them, but so that the audience will have a reason to feel sorry for the hero. Sucker Punch was definitely not perfect, but it was far from the most sexist action flick in recent memory.
TL;DR: 5 scantily-clad female heroes > no major female characters, and the Sucker Punch ladies were a lot more than just their bodies in the film; it's the critics who are reducing them to their clothes.
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