[ SECRET POST #1577 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1577 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 044 secrets from Secret Submission Post #225.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 2 - repeats ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[amazing-e-ko.livejournal.com]

Thissssssss. So much this. "It's not that I'm complaining about character x because I'm projecting myself onto her or because I want her to Die for My Ship, I just want to talk about how she's not being a strong feminist role model. God, don't you like feminism?"

It's a sneak attack of hate, ant it's really really pervasive. Another good example is all those slash fans who insist that they like strong women, no really, but never seem to be able to find any strong women in their fandoms.

[(Anonymous)]

It would be nice if you didn't throw in a jab at slash fans, considering how I've had the exact opposite experience. It's fandom-specific and generalizing like that is only asking for trouble.

[amazing-e-ko.livejournal.com]

But it happens. I'm not, like vilifying slash here. I'm writing a slash fic atm, for someone. I have no problem with slash. In the comment below, I say that although it's not a great position to hold generally, I don't mind slash fans who are upfront about the fact that they don't like girls.

What I was complaining about was Slash fans who know that slash fans are often criticised for ignoring women, so they insist that they love strong female characters, but yet criticise every individual female character they come across, often on "feminist" grounds. You say you haven't run into this problem? Well you lucky duck. But it is a common enough problem that I don't only know it from my fandom - I'm also aware of it from meta sites like f!s and fandom wank.

Are we cool?

[cephiedvariable.livejournal.com]

Another good example is all those slash fans who insist that they like strong women, no really, but never seem to be able to find any strong women in their fandoms.

Being predominately a slash writer, I have experienced this in soooo many of my fandoms. Lip service paid to female characters to avoid crit. These girls are their "real" favourite character even though they have no icons, write no fic, don't do meta, don't ship any het/femmeslash, ect. I mean, there's nothing inherently wrong with getting into a fandom where you aren't actively interested in the female cast. I've been there at least once (even though I probably couldn't do it anymore). But the ones who do what you describe are the ones you know couldn't give a shit about girls in media and would be content if every series was a Blue Bishounen Ghetto (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlueBishonenGhetto) nightmare.

[amazing-e-ko.livejournal.com]

Yeah. I'm not really a slash fan (though I'm writing a slash fic on request atm) so I don't interact with the fans on a daily basis, but even just from here, fandom wank and various other meta communities I know how prevelant this attitude. And you're right - if the author straight up admits they don't care about any of the female characters, well it's not great, but at the same time it's not like I have to read their work. The really unbearable ones are the people who insist they like girls but then find every excuse under the sun to complain about or criticise individual girls.