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fandomsecrets2011-05-04 07:46 pm
case) wrote in fandomsecrets2011-05-04 07:46 pm
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(Anonymous) 2011-05-05 02:44 am (UTC)(link)Not saying the fact that I know POC who like it means that most do, or that this means "it's okay" or something. I don't really consider myself qualified to judge that. It's just interesting to me because although SJ types tend to talk about how a white person getting off on playing plantation master is creepy... I heard it first from the other side.
Same with Nazi play. The one person I know who waxes poetic about the hotness of Nazi uniforms is Jewish.
FWIW (probably nothing), I do think this has colored my perspective on it all. If a Jewish person wants to ask someone to put an armband on, I'm not really sure I can jump in and be all "Now Sarah, you know you're not supposed to deal with those demons through role-play, tsk tsk."
Now if someone of German descent told me "I have a shameful secret. I can't get off unless I think about firing up the ovens" I'd probably feel different.
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Similar political stance != monolithic opinions, although you apparently like to think so.
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Now if someone of German descent told me "I have a shameful secret. I can't get off unless I think about firing up the ovens" I'd probably feel different.
That is one hundred percent understandable, anon.
It's the perceived difference in what's turning them on there. A Jewish person eroticizing Nazis is taking their own history of oppression and flipping it on its head, turning it into an image of hotness instead of fear, more or less psychologically telling themselves, "This cannot hurt me. I don't have to be afraid of this."
A German eroticizing Nazis seems like they're wanting to call up the adrenaline rush of having that much power over someone- wanting the illicit thrill of being able to pretend they can make a life or death call on someone else. It seems like a glory day revel, not so much taking control of their own pain.
(You can turn that in on itself, though, depending on the context of the fantasy. The Shoah is a painful source of shame for Germany- at what some of their people in the past did, and what a lot of their people in the past allowed to happen. I can't say I'd feel squicked by a German who wanted to put on a Nazi uniform and be flogged bloody by their partner, made to pay for what their ancestors did in a sexualized way.)
...Nazi kink is sort of my berserk button, I've thought about it a lot. :-/
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(Anonymous) 2011-05-05 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
People eroticizing their own pain is, to some extent, normal. (That extent being "a lot of people find relief and pleasure this way," not "absolutely everyone who has this pain would ETA: or should do this.")