[ SECRET POST #1583 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1583 ⌋


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Comments

[mondaisenshi.livejournal.com]

How do I put this...

... that's life! In real life, we're expected to pass judgement on people very shortly after we meet them. Which is often what people do in the show when The Doctor shows up, for better or worse. In television, characters often start as less developed and grow over time as we adjust to them.

That's not to say they're doing it wrong, just that this is a rather unconventional way of introducing a new character to the audience, and one that many people will have trouble accepting. Flash judgements are like that, though - they're not absolute, but they do usually take a while to change.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

In television, characters often start as less developed and grow over time as we adjust to them.

Well then I really don't understand why everyone is having such issues with River. Yes, she's developing slowly but that's a part of the plot. The Doctor has to live his timeline just like everyone else; it's the one thing even he can't jump to the end of. So of course River's development is gonna be long and tedious. We're experiencing it from his point of view when all he wants to know is what the hell is going on lol.

Flash judgements are like that, though - they're not absolute, but they do usually take a while to change.

I know. I'm just trying to remind people that they should be open to that change and not just make a decision and stubbornly stand by it so much that every time River is on screen, all they can think of is how much they want her to just go away. If they think like that, no matter how great she turns out to be in the end, they'll never really get the full experience.

[http://users.livejournal.com/_thirty2flavors/]

So of course River's development is gonna be long and tedious. We're experiencing it from his point of view when all he wants to know is what the hell is going on lol.

Yeah, but this is exactly why it's frustrating to some people the same way it used to frustrate the Doctor (lately he doesn't seem to give a fuck, lol). Just because we can understand why something might be written a certain way doesn't mean we necessarily like it. I get that Moffat things the Doctor and River's backwards/sideways/"timey wimey" relationship is super clever; I personally find it kind of off-putting because I find the storyline tiresome (too many teasers, too few answers, though apparently answers are finally coming) and also because I don't really like the idea that neither of them really have a choice about being in this relationship. I like River as a character, but I don't really like her storyline.

[mondaisenshi.livejournal.com]

But she's not developing slowly! That's not the way Moffat does anything, really - he has his characters fully mapped and developed from page 1 and they act like fully developed, rounded characters. (Kudos to the actors, by the way!) River came to us in The Library with all of her quirks and attitude and badassery that makes her River, and I personally accepted it because she was just there for the one episode. But when she became a recurring character in the next season, I think I was a little overwhelmed by too much River too quickly. I mean, this sudden arrival of a fully developed character that seems to bother people with River is the same thing the Doctor does every time he regenerates, sure, which is why it feels like the ones that stay longer have the most dedicated fans - because when we are faced with so much personality in the TV shows with almost no time to adjust, it's off-putting. And I honestly believe this is one of the reasons why whenever The Doctor regens, a lot of fans have this period of "not sure if want" - the show has built up a loyalty and trust that most of the fans have faith enough to believe that the new Doctor will be a good character, but they also tend to think that it's gonna be hard for this new actor to top the last. Yes, this is also due to the attachment we make with the past actor, but there must be some element of feeling overwhelmed.

So, I'm not complaining that River's developing too slow. I submit that the opposite is true - River's character has been too heavily developed, and we haven't seen any of the backstory that makes her who she is. Amy showed up pretty distinct and heavily developed, too, but we got a sense of her whole life pretty early on, so it made it easier for us to see how she became the girl she is, which made it easier for a lot of us to accept. We actually got a similar backstory coverage on Rose, too, when she was first there. No, we didn't get the details of her past life, but we got the explanation of a mundane ordinary monotonous life, which is easy enough for most viewers to relate to that they don't need the details.

And yes, that's true, if all we think every time we see River is "UGH THAT SKANK HO BITCH I WISH SHE'D JUST GO DIE" then... yeah, we'll never be able to enjoy her no matter what. But if we spend our time thinking "I wish I knew more about her life," and "I can't wait to see how she changes because I'd like to like her, but I really can't make myself appreciate the character so far," then I call that a fair compromise and think the rest is up to her and Moffat.

Uhmmm, okay, I think I'm out of rant for now.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

River came to us in The Library with all of her quirks and attitude and badassery that makes her River, and I personally accepted it because she was just there for the one episode. But when she became a recurring character in the next season, I think I was a little overwhelmed by too much River too quickly.

The fact that she's from the Doctor's future makes me OK with this. Because the Doctor is supposed to be overwhelmed. She's lived all these things with a future version of him and it's a lot to take in meeting her when he hasn't grown into "himself" (the one she's obviously used to being with and who's used to being with her) yet. So now the Doctor has to play catch up and I think that really comes through. I guess I'm just more willing to play along at slow pace than most.

But if we spend our time thinking "I wish I knew more about her life," and "I can't wait to see how she changes because I'd like to like her, but I really can't make myself appreciate the character so far," then I call that a fair compromise and think the rest is up to her and Moffat.

This is what I feel like a lot of people who complain so vehemently about her aren't doing. The River haters (the haters, not just the frustrated fans like you) aren't saying "Im excited to see what happens." They're saying "OMFG I WANNA KNOW NOW! WHAT'S WITH ALL THIS 'SPOILERS' BS! HAAAATE!" And yea...that's just silly.