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fandomsecrets2011-05-04 07:46 pm
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Exactly! That's exactly it-- and sometimes even if it's a character you didn't like much the first time, they come back ten times more awesome, and it's just great to see. I didn't like Martha much in series three, but you better believe I fangirled her hardcore after the Sontaran Stratagem two-parter! The continuity thing, the way the world keeps turning even after the Doctor's gone... I feel like that's been a major theme of New Who through series four, and I'm sorely upset that Moffat broke that off so completely when he took over.
Yeah, it basically doesn't happen. And the thing is... River only gets to come back because Moffat ensured, through how he ended the Silence in the Library / Forest of the Dead two-parter, that River would be his alone and no one else could write for her. She was "untouched" by RTD or other writers, so she was allowed to come back.
Yeah, Moffat should never have written for a shared canon at all. He doesn't do it well.
As far as his episodes before Eleven, I really can't stand any of them but The Empty Child / The Doctor Dances two-parter. This artlce (http://io9.com/#!5022250/why-steven-moffat-isnt-all-that) pretty clearly illustrates some of the problems with his RTD-era episodes. Suffice to say the massive plotholes, sexualization of the Doctor, sidelining of current companions, and so on really got to me.
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Same with Mickey! I was so happy that he didn't stay the jilted boyfriend, but kept living and changed and became awesome.
Also, I liked that Rose had a history - true, we didn't get bales of episodes about her friends and whatnot, but we got to see her connection with her mother and how everything affected that. Amy seems a bit of a standalone, for me. Where's her previous life, huh?
That article really is interesting, thanks for the link! I liked TEC/TDD and Blink, but the other episodes I wasn't such a huge fan of. Though, I didn't really pay too much attention to who wrote which episode.
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Moffat's taking away the ability to see that -- and in a big way it's because I just don't think he's capable of writing that caliber of story. He just doesn't do character growth and development, especially not for his female characters. Amy, for example, changed not one whit between her first appearance and the recent episodes; she's still exactly the same person (for the worse, IMO). And since Moffat is unwilling to let her go and give Eleven a new companion, we won't ever see her after the Doctor -- again, partially because I don't believe Moffat knows how to write that kind of a story. I don't think he could believably show how someone would develop in the wake of traveling with the Doctor.
The history is a good point, too. None of Moffat's characters have that -- at all. Amy doesn't seem to have a family, or it was eaten by a crack in the wall, or some shit, so she doesn't remember them... fine, whatever. But what about Rory? What about all those people at their wedding? None of those people worried or cared when the both of them vanished for ages? Rory doesn't have any family? And River Song, of course, we're not meant to have any knowledge about. So basically, he's disconnected his characters from any kind of relatable history. Part of the reason we as viewers are able to identify with and connect with characters like Rose and Martha and Donna is because we feel so deeply like we know them; we know what their parents are like, we've seen their flat, we know some of their friends, and we have an idea of what their lives are like! We know that Rose's mum is a bit of a flake and has a sometimes-boyfriend who gets hungry in his sleep; we know that Martha's parents are divorced and her dad has a new girlfriend that nobody likes much; we know that Donna's mother is kind of overbearing but her grandfather is very loving and a bit odd. We knew that Martha was a medical student and that Rose worked at a department store and that Donna was a temp office worker. This is all stuff that helps us relate to the characters and feel like we know them. It's also a lot of development for the characters -- and Moffat is rubbish at development, so of course he finds ways to disconnect characters from this or the need from it, unwittingly - or perhaps just carelessly - cutting his viewers off from one of the biggest avenues for identification with a character that you can get.
You're welcome! I actually didn't like Blink at all, and the reaction from other fans was so huge I just thought there was something wrong with me, lol. I always paid attention after I started hearing Moffat lauded for writing "Blink"... and okay, because I wanted to know what idiot wrote "The Girl in the Fireplace," because god I hated that episode! lol.
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Heck, The Stolen Earth and Journey's End were over-the-top and melodramatic, but I didn't care because we got to see everybody ever being awesome on screen at the same time.
IA, both Amy and Rory are so... disconnected. I hardly even feel like they come from a specific time period, or a specific place. There are no consequences to them vanishing, which is something I really loved about the previous seasons. It's funny, because until you pointed it out, I hardly realized how much we know about the previous companions. But it's true, they're really people to me. I think that's why they embody the Companion fantasy so well - they started out as just your everyday people, and then everything changed. With Amy, I felt like she had... idk, a certain glamour from the beginning. She wasn't a "regular" person.
Also, I liked how the aliens eventually affected the rest of the world, in the previous seasons.
I think it's more that Moffat isn't quite managing character development, not that he's not trying. Or at least, not managing to convince us (since other people obviously don't have this discontinuity problem with the current season).
I think I liked Blink because the concept was pretty cool, I thought the suspense was well done, and I tended to like the episodes in which the Doctor doesn't play such a big role. I think because those episodes fleshed out the world for me, showing how people who aren't constantly involved with the Doctor can be influenced by him swooping in and out of their lives.
"The Girl in the Fireplace" was pretty what, I agree. I mean, the concept of random bits of France showing up in that spaceship was neat, but the development was kind of meh. "Silence in the Library" and "Forest of the Dead" stand out more in my memory as episodes I'm vastly ambivalent about. On one hand... they were cool. On the other hand...I didn't like the resolution one bit.
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Thanks. I was wondering why I don't care too much about Amy, and this helped me figure it out. Rose isn't my favorite companion either, and she annoyed me at times, but I still had some investment in her character at the end of the day. Because she came across as a person, even if it was an annoying person (YMMV of course).