[ SECRET POST #157 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #157 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Early for no reason, really.

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 76 secrets from Secret Submission Post #023.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Tuesday, June 11th, 2007.
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Comments

[moebot.livejournal.com]

"From my perspective because of my indoctrinated slang, it seems impossible to even consider the person gay or a raging homophobe based on the usage of "faggot". Then again, that's why it's my perspective."

This just means that homophobia has become internalized in our culture, so much that "faggot" can be used as a general insult for idiots. Think about why it was first used as an insult, and think about how deeply ingrained heterosexism is in North American popular culture.

If you want to use the word? Go right ahead. But that doesn't mean that people won't take offense to it.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

I assure you, no one I throw it around with is homophobic in the slightest.

While I understand that me and my friends =\= representative of the whole, basic tenet of sociology, it is a direct contradiction to your own sociological analysis, which frankly is deeply coloured by your own bias (and understandably so).

There are plenty of words in the English language that were once highly offensive and no longer are, but it does not mean we've integrated a special breed of hate into our society to downplay them :\

[moebot.livejournal.com]

This smacks to me of the old "words only offend you if you let them!" defense which is just so close to victim-blaming that I am so over this conversation.

So I will sit here and continue to think you are a giant idiot, but you really shouldn't be offended by that! Because "idiot" is just a general insult that no one uses seriously anymore and no longer means you have the intellect of a rock because all connotations of the word have been phased out with popular usage, and after all, I could be in your house beating you up or calling your worse names, so you shouldn't get upset!

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Oh, me and my differing opinions from another culture!

You go on and do that now.

[moebot.livejournal.com]

You're all over this post trying to defend your use of "faggot." Good for you. Stand up for what you believe in!

You also assume that the U.S. and America have vastly different cultures, when they're pretty much identical, especially since I live in Toronto, which might as well be the States.

Please keep on insisting that you're "cultured" because one day... one day someone might actually believe you. It might be the day when you stop using the word "faggot."

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Ahahahaha yes. Canada and the Deep South are exactly the same.

[moebot.livejournal.com]

Yes, yes, my mistake. Tennessee, right? I was operating under the assumption that you were somewhere else.

What I want to know is why you're insisting that using "faggot" is not homophobic but then imply that you live in a culture of homophobia in other comments (what with your "gay people here have much more to worry about than being called names hurhurhur" implies that they might be getting lynched or something).

Have you ever stopped to think that the prevalence of the usage where you live indicates a deep-rooted problem? And that using "gay" to mean "bad" is an extension of that? No? Lol, okay, faggot.

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(Maybe if I keep saying it, I'll forget how harmful it is!)

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Good lord, you just don't that whole concept of questioning outside of what you were indoctrinated into? I mean, you seem to dish out the advice pertaining pretty well, but fucking take it yourself.

What I have been saying this entire time is that, WHERE I AM, it's not homophobic when used as casual slang, which it is frequently. What I was ASKING is where and how is it different elsewhere?

Regardless, I got my answer and then some, so I'm done arguing. You can even have the last word!

[moebot.livejournal.com]

What I was indoctrinated into? What the fuck? What makes you think I was indoctrinated into my opinion? Because I disagree with you?

Where you are, it is homophobic. You just can't see it, because it's not blatant, and apparently you need to be slapped over the face with homophobia in order for it to count. You do not live in the only place in the world where it is used casually(!!!!) and casual use does not make it okay(!!!!!) This is the point, and I have a feeling that you will continue to stick your fingers in your ears and go "LALALALALALALOLFAGS."

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Okay, I am going to respond.

Casual use is not okay THE WAY YOU WERE FUCKING RAISED AND ACCORDING TO YOUR OWN OPINION.

Goddammit you are being fucking thick about this.

Think about it for ONE SECOND: Everyone understands that at one point those words were initially used as general insults because of the negative connotation of homosexuals, thus "lol you are gay" = "i equate you negatively with gay people ew", but as it becomes more standard as an insult and is used casually with NO ill will toward homosexuals, THAT MEANING CEASES TO BE.

You seem to think that by using the word, "fag", I am equating negativity with homosexuality, but when in my usage there is NO connotation of the sort, IT, AGAIN, CEASES TO BE A HOMOPHOBIC INSULT.

I am not scared of gay people. I am gay myself, which would normally not exclude me from homophobia were it not for the fact that I am PROUD of it, am FAR from self-loathing, and embrace other gay people as well.

Good fucking christ.

[moebot.livejournal.com]

Why are you angry? You're not allowed to be angry! Here's why:

a) The culture I live in is a-okay with insults, and everyone insults each other, so it's okay to do so. And if you get offended, you're a fag.
b) I insult my friends all the time! It could be a term of endearment for all you know. And if you get offended, you're a fag.
c) You don't know anything about where I live, so you don't know the cultural relevence behind me insulting you. If you get offended, you are not only a fag but you are also ethnocentric hisshissbooboo
d) I insult myself. If you get offended, you are a fag.
e) I don't actually have any ill will towards you, so you can't possibly be offended! If you are? You're a fag.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Uh huh, that's exactly it.

[moebot.livejournal.com]

Thank you for agreeing with me.

Passive aggressiveness is so underrated these days.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Last word race!

[moebot.livejournal.com]

"You can even have the last word!"
"You can even have the last word!"
"You can even have the last word!"
"You can even have the last word!"
"You can even have the last word!"
"You can even have the last word!"
"You can even have the last word!"

Is making statements and then blatantly ignoring them in your own rage a cultural thing from Tennessee, too? I don't want to judge you or anything, because for all I know, that just might be the way y'all roll.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

Tee-totally!

[cosmicbiscuit.livejournal.com]

Oh, for fuck's sake. I'm from Tennessee as well, Knoxville to be exact, and people give you nasty looks if you use 'faggot' as an insult, especially on college campuses, because it makes you look like an uneducated redneck to use it as a casual insult. And we're right on the fucking Mason-Dixon and were *this* close to the eastern region breaking off and forming its own state to be part of the Union during the Civil War, so quit acting like you're all Southern Hardcore by acting like we're Deep South.

[kinneas.livejournal.com]

HELLO, TWO DAYS LATER AND NO ONE CARES.

Like I said in a thread below, this argument is long over. My viewpoint's adjusted accordingly as is standard for a debate in someone else's favor, and we're all through here.