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fandomsecrets2011-05-27 07:56 pm
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(Anonymous) 2011-05-28 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
If I were all alone in a post-apocalpytic world with no one to enforce any constraints on my gendered behaviour, my body would still feel wrong, and medically transitioning would have still been the best decision I could make.
There is gender in terms of behaviour, interests, etc - and that is a social construct, yes.
But gender in terms of one's mental map of their body not matching up with their physical reality, leading to extreme discomfort and a persistent sense of dissonance from as young as three years of age - that is not a social construct.
There are masculine trans women and feminine trans men. Because gender may be a social construct, but gender identity and one's gendered body perception, laid out in the brain, is not.
I'm not particularly masculine, I have a hell lot of stereotypically feminine interests, I'm attracted to men, and I still feel the pressing need for a male body despite living in a country that is highly homophobic and transphobic. If there were any way to continue living as female without wanting to kill myself all the time, I'd have done it, believe me.
This post covers it better than I do: http://www.questioningtransphobia.com/?p=194
Links: http://aebrain.blogspot.com/p/reference-works-on-transsexual-and.html
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(Anonymous) 2011-05-28 08:37 pm (UTC)(link)no subject
And, hey - why don't all cis people then transition to destroy the fallacy of essentialism? Why are only cis people allowed to live in bodies that they can live with without being persistently tortured with a pervasive feeling of wrongness, to the point of suicide?
...you know what, when I'm fully perceived as male I'm going to go around wearing dresses and playing with dolls. Is that essentialism-destroying enough for you?
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(Anonymous) 2011-05-28 09:17 pm (UTC)(link)Because they don't all want to. But I actually do know cis men who are just as happy in a dress as they are in pants. But all you're really doing here is bringing out the strawmen, so I'm done.
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Because they don't all want to.
So would you then accuse non-transitioning cis people of likewise supporting the fallacy of essentialism? If not, then why do you accuse transitioning trans people of doing so?
But I actually do know cis men who are just as happy in a dress as they are in pants.
Good for them, and no reason why not, seeing as how 'dress' is only gendered female because of society. But your point is?
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(Anonymous) 2011-05-29 05:07 pm (UTC)(link)That is the point. Gender is a construct; sex is not. But I think, at the end of the day, it really comes down to a difference in how people view the terms. From a sociological standpoint, feeling that one's sex is incorrect is different from feeling that one's gender is incorrect. You can have a man who feels the most comfortable adopting female gender characteristics but who nonetheless wants to physically remain male; you can have a man who transitions to a woman but who nonetheless feels the most comfortable adopting male gender characteristics. And those particular gender characteristics, and whether or not they're coded as "male" or "female," will change depending on the society and culture.
It seems to me that the real problem is that the current language is incredibly imperfect. There's a whole spectrum of sexual and gender identity, and I'm of the mind that even cis/trans doesn't quite capture that.
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It's mostly a problem with language, as you say, and most of the time trans people are usually referring to their sex feeling incorrect, but the current state of language has people equating sex with gender, so the latter term is used. I read about how the move from considering transgenderism to be a disorder of gender rather than sex was how psychiatrists did not consider it a sexual disorder/fetish, and so calling it transgenderism instead of transsexuality removed that ambiguity and some of the stigma.
meanwhile, I know someone from the Internet who was dysphoric enough to transition to female, and was a lot more comfortable with a female body, but still identified as a man.