[ SECRET POST #1612 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1612 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 31 secrets from Secret Submission Post #230.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

07. http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1526/hatesprissitude.png

[(Anonymous)]

Saying jegus or using Gog is kinda grating too you know, since they've only used it a couple of times on the comic and it gets obnoxious after a while.

[yucari.livejournal.com]

Fair call. I'll edit my comment accordingly.

[yucari.livejournal.com]

... that was assuming I even can edit my comment, what the hell è_é

I'll delete it, then.

[(Anonymous)]

But why? That stuff was designed by a human. It's based on human emotions.

I don't follow the comic that closely, so maybe I'm missing something, but it doesn't seem that farfetched to me?

[insanenoodlyguy.livejournal.com]

Actually, no. But the thing is, it's SUPPOSED to be alien. Because it's emotions felt by ALIENS.

The big one usually discussed is Kismesis. Basically, Trolls need to hate. This isn't a tsundere thing or a repressed sexual tension sublimated into antagonism, it's literally hate. Two trolls actively dislike each other, do things to ruin the other trolls life, even cripple or attempt to kill.

And yet they also are mates. In fact, this relationship is necessary for troll reporduction.

It doesn't fully make sense. But it's not really supposed to.

Also, trolls consider the relationships we'd most closely describe as "best friend who's also your foil" and "mediator between arguing parties" as distinct platonic but romantic relationships. Having two best foil friends would be an affair (but by contrast, being a mediator while having both a romantic paramour and a hate-sex relationship would be fine, these are all separate).

Of course, cause it's fandom, people see these relationships in other things they are a fan of, which obviously OP isn't liking so much. Technically, she's right, these are alien relationships with only comparisons that aren't quite accurate in human culture and can't fully be associated to other things. Less seriously though, it can be fun to do.

Now you know more then you probably ever cared about.

[violent-aki.livejournal.com]

I actually legitimately think moirallegiance is a pretty great way to describe friendship. I have many friends, but the ones I consider my "best" friends sort of transcend the typical boundaries of important people in my life. And moirallegiance, so far, is the closest description I've found for it.

That's not to say I go around calling my best friends my "moirails" (especially since not all of them read Homestuck), but it's still a nice gesture in my mind. I think Hussie does a pretty great job of describing those relationships that aren't quite friendship, but not quite enemies, either.

[kyoto-idol.livejournal.com]

TOTALLY OT but what is the font called? I've been trying to find it for ages!

[miff-falden.livejournal.com]

Carima (http://www.chank.net/freefont_detail.php?sku=1067)

[exova.livejournal.com]

Swooping in here to say thanks! I was hoping someone would ask about/link to the font. <3

[starshipblues.livejournal.com]

Moirallegiance doesn't seem so bad. Although relationships built on either hate or pity are hardly ever positive or healthy, I'd say its definitely possible to feel something similar to troll relationships. Hussie didn't invent these emotions after all.

[fireholly.livejournal.com]

From what I see, most fans use the romances as shorthand rather than what they canonically are shown to mean - like using moraillegience to describe romantic friendship rather than a loving relationship with the specific social purpose of holding an aggressive person back from destroying things, and using auspisticing to mean acting as a negotiator between two people rather than stablising a matespirit/kismesis double reacharound relationship so as to prevent caliginous infidelity because of the importance monogamy has in troll social society.

As shorthand? I think it's fine. But as in canon? I definitely don't think it's impossible for a human to have felt moraillegience or kismesisstude or even auspistice, but I do agree that if you have been in one of those situations IRL you're either deeply messed up or need better friends. After all, part of being romance means that it's ROMANCE - it's powerful and primal and drives your emotions - and while I believe IRL kismesis probably exists more than we let on, if you are getting genuinely primal desires to facilitate between a couple you know who love each other in a mutually-destructive and hurtful way in order to keep their relationship going, then there's probably something wrong with you.

[knuddeluff.livejournal.com]

YES THANK YOU

[ivavros.livejournal.com]

I think it's kinda cute. Just don't overdo it or like, actually hate someone to the point of wanting to kill them, or something!

People do a lot of stuff like that with fandom, doesn't cause any real harm. Just...like I said, don't get obsessed or something.

[(Anonymous)]

Calling them like that irl sounds a bit weird, but thinking you're in one doesn't sound as farfetched to me.

[(Anonymous)]

I somewhat agree with you. I'm in what could be considered a moirallegiance (the proper kind, where the other person is potentially dangerous and I fuss and meddle in his life to make him less so), and I want to get the fuck out. But that's more because he's started to become manipulative of me and not just other people, and I don't take that bullshit.

As a whole, I think moirallegiance could be a healthy thing among humans as long as the dangerous one actually respects the meddling one and their opinions. I don't know if this would actually happen in real life, though? Auspistice is perfectly healthy and honestly happens all the time. I don't think kismesis could ever be healthy, but I still want to try it someday when I'm less of an easy target emotionally and in general.

Really, what bugs me more is when fans seriously claim to be in troll relationships but defy the relationships' basic definitions. Moirallegiances that are just close friendships, kismeses that are just mildly bickery relationships, etc.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, troll red romance is more or less the same as normal human romantic relationships