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[ SECRET POST #158 ]

⌈ Secret Post #158 ⌋

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Since it was her idea to fight, and Jack was the only one who agreed with her, it was either Elizabeth or Jack who had to be the King. Sure, it could have been Jack but honestly- he had other stuff to do. If Jack had been Pirate King, they couldn't have traded him to the other side and thus Jack never would have gotten on the ship, gotten at the heart, ect. ect. In that sense, it had to be Elizabeth.

If she were not made a Pirate lord by circumstance in the first place (a role which other characters often treated as ridiculous on her; it's a nice thought, but I honestly doubt after the "war" was over any of those pirates would continue listening to her if not held at gunpoint by Cap'n Teague), what would she have done in the movie? The writers set her and Will up to be a loose "positive" parallel to Davy and Tia. So Will becomes Captain of the Dutchman, and Elizabeth... is still a noble girl tagging along for the ride? They *BOTH* had to be elevated to epic roles in order to, y'know, make the story epic.

If Sao Feng had lived, either the brethren would have done NOTHING at all, or Barbossa would have been voted Pirate King since Sao Feng agreed with him and junk. And that would have been totally less cool because Barbossa is totally suited to be a Pirate King and these movies are all about coincidental, ironic destiny ~~and tentacle rape~~.

Barbosa isn't a sue for obvious reason

I HOPE YOU'RE IMPLYING SOMETHING ELSE AND NOT TRYING TO SAY THAT HE IS NOT ATTRACTIVE. BECUZ GEOFFREY RUSH IS A+++++ SEXY. D:

BECUZ GEOFFREY RUSH IS A+++++ SEXY. D:

THIS IS THE TRUTH

NO TRUER TRUTH SPOKEN.

I would just like to say that I agree with all of your points and also want to add that Elizabeth becoming a captain and a King doesn't mean that she automatically becomes Super Powerful. She's basically the same person she was in Dead Man's Chest, she just has a few more fancy titles in front of her name.

So basically, the argument being made is that Elizabeth is a Sue because she's got a few titles added to her name (which probably don't even hold sway after the end of the movie, since she doesn't stay with the crew of The Empress and goes off to raise a son). That just seems a bit ridiculous.

I think she does stay in Shipwreck Cove, though, if that means anything.

Again with the writers thing. I mean, they wrote it that way, but they didn't have to. Chicks can be cool without being STRONG FEMALE, etc.

Oh, I was gonna say ugly :(

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Um no LOL. The STRONG FEMALE stereotype doesn't need to hang out and around to make a female character cool. For example: Tia Dalma is by no means useless, wimpy, or helpless. Yet she's cool and not a huge cliche. Hmmm.

Tia Dalma, who is secretly a goddess. Suuueee!

Alright, now you're just making this even more faggoty.

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