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⌈ Secret Post #1615 ⌋

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you know, after playing through both endings, i'm tempted to only ever pick the templars' side, despite my love for mages. it made more SENSE. and even my mage Hawke could admit that it was only done to bring back some semblance of order and come the fuck on, Kirkwall, stop it with your every other mage turns to blood magic shit. how do you expect me to be sympathetic?

oh and it's not the same as going to school with a gun. you can CHOOSE to bring a gun and CHOOSE to put it down. you cannot do this with magic.

Really? The templar ending made NO sense to me at all. First they invoke the right of annulment to kill all the circle..over something someone who wasn't part of the circle did.

Then you get the option to spare people.....which should have ended the fight right there. The only reason the mages were fighting back was because they thought the templars were going to slaughter them all regardless. Not to mention, the entire point of the right of annulment is that you kill EVERYONE. Letting some live was so cheap and I think just so people could go templar without having to kill bethany. If they were honestly willing to spare people the fight shoudl have ended RIGHT THERE. They could have brought it up AT ANY TIME WHEN ORSINO SAID THEY WERE WILLING TO SURRENDER. It was so so dumb.

Plus, if you rivaly Anders all the way, you can apperantly bring him with you siding with the templars. SO you can go kill the mages for blowing up the Chantry..which they didn't do. And you can do it with the person who actually blew it up fighting beside you.

but in the mage ending, both mages and templars are killed. here you can at least spare some of the mages.

idk, i guess i meant mostly re: orsino and meredith. in the mage ending, orsino goes nuts for NO FUCKING REASON. we were winning! we were doing well! why did you have to do that

but when you side with the templars, orsino's change makes more sense (also i can never forgive him for not telling anyone about Quentin) and meredith was possessed by the idol all along. (i've only played the templar ending as a mage, so i don't know the differences in dialogue, but i loved that, when meredith turns on mage!hawke, it's all about how s/he's probably fooling everyone and only pretending to be with them etc. also she's like the only person who notices you're a mage)

Yes it ends with less people dead, but it still makes absolutely no sense. The entire point of the right of annulment is to kill everyone- from the oldest enchanter to a 5 year old brought in the previous day. If they were willing to accept people surrendering, why didn't they do that when orsino begged and said they'd do anything so long as they weren't all murdered? He offered this TWICE. And then suddenly when Bethany comes making the same offer it's accepted even by Meredith (she complains but then DOESN'T DO ANYTHING). It made no sense at all. It felt so cheap.

Honestly I think Orsinos change makes less sense in the templar ending. Why wouldn't he just have the mages killing templars, and then use the templar bodies for that blood magic? Sacrificing the exact people he was trying to save was dumb. At least in the mage ending he was doing it only after they were already dead.

oh and it's not the same as going to school with a gun. you can CHOOSE to bring a gun and CHOOSE to put it down. you cannot do this with magic.

This. IAWTC x10.

Yes, mages have the capacity to harm others at all times. But really, all of humanity does, to some extent. And let's say there's a kid who, for whatever reason, has a hook for a hand. Even if that hook is blunted, it can still potentially kill. But would you refuse the child's right to go to school with all the other kids because they had an accident and lost a hand? I mean, sure, if you could have them remove the prosthetic that might be ideal, but that's not something mages can do. They can't set aside their powers and leave them at the door to pick them up on the way out. They have no say, no control. How can you honestly punish them for it?

And before you say that it's not punishment, it is. They're being separated and treated differently, watched and guarded at all times. They didn't want this, they didn't ask for it. "Separate but equal" is a fictitious concept that does not translate into practice. You're basically telling these children that they're monsters, what else do you expect them to become?

This so much. I can't really add anything you didn't say, except my huge rant down at the bottom. :p

It's not a pretty solution, but it's kind of necessary. I mean, what happens if some mage kid is bullied and then sets his aggressors on fire accidentally a la Carrie?

Yeah, it wasn't their choice to be mages, but it's a consequence that they and everyone around them has to live with. Separating them so they can be trained and such is a necessary evil. As adults they should get more freedom, though, imo, as they've already proven their control through the Harrowing.

My main point is, you can't fucking compare it to letting kids go to school with guns, because it's NOT THE SAME ISSUE. AT ALL. You want to work in metaphors, find ones that work.

But as more of a response here, yes, mages can theoretically be more dangerous - specifically as children - than non-mages. But let's set aside the fact that you should be smarter than to pick on something that could spontaneously light on fire, the fact that the mage child could easily make his point just by conjuring a flickering flame in his hands and if they don't stop picking on him at that point it's kinda their own fault if they get some burn scars.

Mage children would need special training and education. They need the kind of attention they get from mentors and masters in the circle. But that doesn't mean that they couldn't get this training, say, during school hours or after-school hours, and be free to be part of the city population outside of this. If they're taught from the first sign of magic, they should be able to control it. As it is many parents, upon learning that their child is a mage, cling to them and hide them away for fear of losing them, as with Connor. Letting them stay at home, giving them special education from there, would eliminate the problems that go with this situation. No more Templars being sent in to rip a teenager from their home because their home tutoring went wrong, no more farmlands being set aflame because Wynne hadn't gone to the circle.

Not to mention that these kids picking on mages is mostly caused by fear - not true fear of their powers, but fear planted in them from Chantry discrimination against the mages.

No. I don't believe it would work. But I believe it's the only hope of co-existance left.

Well, we could imprison the bullies instead. Or the bullies could not be idiots and pick a fight with someone who can set them on fire.

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