[ SECRET POST #1630 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1630 ⌋


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Secrets Left to Post: 08 pages, 187 secrets from Secret Submission Post #233.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 1 - take it to comments/wank elsewhere ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Am I the only one who realizes that it is statistically fucking impossible for as many girls in fandom who say they're trans to ACTUALLY be so?

5 years ago we just all lied and said we were gay guys. This is just a new version of the same damned trend.

And the huge number of people who say they're asexual is a related but less rampant problem.

[(Anonymous)]

u trollin?

On a side note, it's not impossible that it's one person making a bunch of secrets around the same topic. Also, inb4 someone brings up the number of people in fandom, particularly females, who ID as bisexual.

[(Anonymous)]

Not trolling. It's possible it's only one person making the secrets, but unless someone has a couple hundred dummy accounts, there are sure as hell more people who identify as transmen in fandom than is possible.

Bisexuality I don't have a problem with. Everyone's somewhere on the spectrum, after all.

[(Anonymous)]

It might not be as many people as you think.

When you refer to transmen, are you talking about transitionals, or non-transitionals? Either way, how do you figure that there can only be so many transmen in fandom?

If it's a trend as you say, why not bisexuality, as well? There is no way to gauge how genuine or sincere someone's identification is; while I'm sure there are people who "put on" the identity because they think it's cool or whatever, it doesn't negate the existence of those who really feel that way.

[(Anonymous)]

DA.

I think the point is it's statistically rarer. I think if you take "queer" broadly it's estimated to be 10 to 15 percent of the population (on a generous estimate). Those who identify bisexual are maybe 2-3 percent (and I specify identify as, because the behaviour is more prominent than bisexual identity). But if you go into trans-ness you are talking about figures like 1 in 40.000 to 1 in 100.000 people. Now considering the number of people who post here, it *is* statistically unlikely.

Furthermore transsexuality is not like bisexuality in the sense, that there have always been a lot of bisexuals who chose to identify either with the gay or the straight lifestyle. Especially those who aren't 50/50 but more like 20/80 ot 10/90 in their attractions. They might not be "out" in the real world, but feel free to speak about it online, which gives a seeming increase of bisuexuals.

Now, even if we underestimate the prevalence of transgenderism - it is much, much rarer than bisexuality. And yes, if it is not just one person posting, one might ask: what is causing this trend in fandom?

And this might not be just a "fad", it might in fact be a worrisome tendency that girls start identifying as male very quickly because society makes them feel uneasy about their female identities - and that is an issue.

diff anon

[(Anonymous)]

First of all I should say that I am extremely wary of the theory you mention because I've most often seen it couched in pretty distressing and hateful-sounding anti-trans, anti-male rhetoric (a la dirtywhiteboi), but I don't want to discount it outright, either.

But instead of assuming that fandom is the cause of dysphoria in these individuals, you could also consider that their pre-existing dysphoria might be driving them to fandom, and to fixating on certain outlets (like fiction) that help them feel better about themselves. It seems an equally likely possibility, at least in my view.

[(Anonymous)]

According to your statistics, the fact that I went to a college with 5,000 students, undergrad and grad, means that I should have been the only trans person there in my entire college career. Despite that, I met two other transmen and one person who was genderqueer, and that's only the people I met face-to-face.

Okay, so that's anecdotal. But since it's really friggin' hard to get accurate stats on the trans* population, there's a kind of ridiculously huge range in the estimates. Yeah, there is the 1:30,000 to 1:100,000 statistic you cite, which I believe is what the American Psychiatric Association estimated in 1994 to be the number of people who seek SRS. Unfortunately, it is no longer 1994, and that estimate doesn't take into account the number of closeted, pre-op, top-only, hormone-only, non-op, non-medical etc. non-cis people.

In 2002, the University of Michigan professor Lynn Conway estimated the percentage of MtFs in the U.S. to be in the range of 1:500 to 1:2500 (of male-identified births). The 2003 LGBT California Tobacco Survey estimated .1% of the California population to be trans*. The Massachusetts Behavioral Risk Factor Surveillance Survey estimates it to be .5% of adults in their 2007 and 2009 surveys. The National Center on Transgender Equality estimated in 2009 the figures to be somewhere between 1/4 and 1%. Researcher Gary Gates of UCLA estimates in a 2011 study that there are approximately 700,000 people in the U.S. who have taken medical steps towards transition, which comes out to approximately 1:500.

Oh yeah, and a lot of these studies have difficulty with the whole non-op/pre-op/etc. thing, too.

Update your statistics. Yes, there are people who identify as trans* who will later realize that they really are cis. Yes, there are people who lie online. So yes, some people who claim to be trans* online aren't. And there are reasons to worry about a society and a culture that encourages young people to do this. But a lot of these people who identify as trans* online really are trans*. There are a lot more trans* people out there than most people think, and it's to be expected, I think, to see them out in force online.

[(Anonymous)]

This. Just in the group of 200 people who were at the last smallish con I attended, there were four other trans guys I know/with whom I'm acquainted/friends-of-friends/etc. Not in online fandom. IRL guys. I don't think they're fad-hopping ~confused girls (at least not when I'm in anything other than an exquisitely bitter, jealous mood).

I have to admit it does make me feel a little weird, though. Like suddenly finding myself in a really big fandom and feeling like a hipster douche. Especially since the number of (visible/out) trans girls seems so, so much lower. I don't get it.

But I don't think all these people are liarpants, and I don't even want to touch with a 29.5 foot pole the shittacular implications à la Dirt.

[oflittlebrain.livejournal.com]

okay how exactly is it "statistically impossible"

yes, 10% and all that, but considering that fandom tends to attract people who feel like outcasts, is it really that unbelievable that a lot of fans have some form of gender dysphoria?

[(Anonymous)]

I think the point is it's statistically rarer. I think if you take "queer" broadly it's estimated to be 10 to 15 percent of the population (on a generous estimate). -. But if you go into trans-ness you are talking about figures like 1 in 40.000 to 1 in 100.000 people. Now considering the number of people who post here, it *is* statistically unlikely, and it begs the question what the cause might be...

[(Anonymous)]

whoah. i wouldn't go there.

[relmneiko.livejournal.com]

Any statistics have to be taken with a grain of salt, especially statistics that relate to sexuality and identification. I'm not quite sure I'd swallow any of those stats, personally.

[a-better-thing.livejournal.com]

I think the point you're missing here is that someone's gender identity is their own damn business and is whatever they feel/think/believe it is. You can natter on about statistical likelihood all you want, but people are free to identify however they want, and it is Not. Your. Job. to police that for them.

Jesus, even if 95% of the people in fandom claiming to be trans change their mind in a week, it would still be their own damn business and none of yours. And honestly, how is it hurting you? Does it even affect you a tiny bit? And if so, I think that's more your problem than theirs, tbqfh.

So how about you just let people decide how they identify for themselves and leave your stupid comments about statistics at the door, yeah?