[ SECRET POST #1654 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1654 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 46 secrets from Secret Submission Post #236.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 1 - take it to comments ], [ 1 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

17. http://i.imgur.com/CyDZ8.png

[(Anonymous)]

There's another genocide worshipping manga? Fuck you Japan.

OP here

[(Anonymous)]

Oh shut up, stop pretending to be offended by Hetalia because you don't like its fans, that it's popular, or the yaoi stuff.

Yes yes, you're going to say, "it trivializes war! I care so much about that! It's pandering trash!" but you're just looking for a reason to dislike it because of the bad fanbase. If you're trying really hard to be sensitive about that kind of thing then kindly disregard every piece of media you've enjoyed that's been influenced by or commentates on aspects of war, parodies or serious. Idiot.

"Genocide worshipping manga"? Are you fucking stupid? Apparently yes.

[deciphre.livejournal.com]

I don't know what this comic is, but yes, that really is ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, how ridiculous of someone to hope their readers would have the decency to respect their wishes.

[deadtree.livejournal.com]

That is probably the reason this comic hasn't made it all that big, because it has the makings of something that could be huge, riding on Hetalia's coattails and even with people who aren't Hetalia's fans. Fandom is especially important in this day if you want to have a franchise, and ESPECIALLY if you do webcomics.

I mean, it's the author's choice, of course, but she's shooting herself in the foot.

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

How is Western fandom necessary for something to "make it big" in Japan? Hetalia was already big in Japan even before it really hit Western fandom, and not reposting artwork and so on is pretty basic fandom etiquette in Japanese fandoms.

From what I've read from this manga waay back, I think the reason it hasn't made it big is because it's not really funny, caters to a lot more niché audience, and it's too blatantly a Hetalia ripoff. (Me, I'd love a manga about antropomorphized figher jets if the characters were really based on the fighter jets. At least Hetalia characters are based on RL stereotypes and/or Himaruya's own impressions.)

[deadtree.livejournal.com]

it's not necessary, but it certainly helps. Pretty obvious.

Stuff *does* get reposted by Japanese fans. They don't have some magical etiquette that we can't attain. It just doesn't happen as often because it's already in Japanese. But it still happens.

I'm glad you have hipster cred with this manga though. That's nice.

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

...OK, so how does having a Western fandom help something make it big in Japan? I'm honestly curious. Especially if it's a webcomic that even if it made it big would only get published in Japanese anyway.

Also, stuff mostly *doesn't* get reposted by Japanese fans. There are the imageboards of course but those operate out of usual fandom circles, in my experience people who do it are usually regarded as trolls and in any case it's not nearly as widespread as over here where people seem to think that Japanese fanart is public property and they can use and modify them however they want.

Hipster cred, oh my. :D No, sorry to let you down, but I really simply don't like it. I checked it out because I like fighter jets and was interested in the idea, but as it's not really about fighter jets...

[(Anonymous)]

The US market is now so important that companies wait to see how an Anime was received there before they green light new seasons, actually.

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

...well damn, now I wonder where the huge and lucrative American fandoms for Detective Conan, One Piece, etc. are hiding.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

I dunno about this approval in the States thing the AYRT is talking about, but Detective Conan was huge in Europe and Latin America for quite some time.

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

The AWRT (anon we're referring to) thinks the American market is more important to Japan than it really is - what they say may be true for some shows that are already made with foreign markets in mind or that did surprisingly well in the US for some reason, but most shows, especially those more geared toward otaku? Especially niché things like Mitternacht Marine whatever? Nah, no chance.

As for Conan, that's true but at least in Europe that was way before the Japanese companies even realized that anime had an audience outside Japan. And I don't know about Latin America but afaik Conan was big in Germany and Italy mostly. When they tried to air it in my country some years ago it was a flop. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be as popular in Germany/Italy either, if they introduced it today.

(Btw, One Piece has a sizeable fanbase in the US, though not nearly as big as in Japan, but it doesn't really translate to sales seeing that the anime flopped and the manga doesn't sell too well either. So... the lucrative part is pretty much missing.)

[miezen.livejournal.com]

But maybe she doesn't want to "make it big"? Just a thought.

[(Anonymous)]

As far as I know, this manga is actually pretty big in Japan. It's not as huge as Hetalia, but it's got a sizable fandom. Just because you don't see it in the west doesn't mean it's not successful.

Also personally, I don't think she wants it to be huge - and that is the point. She made it because yes, she was a Hetalia fanartist and thought it was a fun idea - but she recognizes that it's iffy. Hetalia is one thing - lighthearted and silly, but this is about things that kill people, and if you make that shit cute, what does that really say about you as an artist?

[(Anonymous)]

What comic is this?

[(Anonymous)]

Mitternacht Marine

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

Yeah, how dare an author, especially one who draws potentially controversial material, ask her readers not to steal her art and pass it around on the internet, and not to do things that would draw unwanted attention to it. How dare she. (Also, lol, hard translation - entitled, much?)

[(Anonymous)]

...Not in this fandom, but how are links to her art "stealing" her art? That's like saying, "oh there's this great artist showing at the gallery this month, here's the address" on your blog or in any kind of publications is STEALING THEIR ART OMG!!!!!!111

Reposting is a violation of intellectual property rights, or piracy, sure (not "stealing", it's still on her computer, don't be fucking retarded) but why is linking bad now?

[kuromitsu.livejournal.com]

That part is not necessarily about stealing... I'm not in the fandom either and I don't claim to know what's going on in the author's head, but asking people not to link to specific pages w/o permission and bookmark/link only the entry page is pretty common as far as Japanese fansites go, at least in my experience. Seeing that here the artwork is potentially controversial I can understand why the author feels more comfortable with people not going around leaving links to the pictures, totally out of context. This may be silly from fans' pov but I can see why the author feels it necessary.

Basically, as many (fan)site owners, it seems to me she's just trying to do everything she can to make it clear for everyone what sort of materials she has on the website. Like, "This is the sort of thing that you'll find here. If you still want to enter do it at your own risk and don't get on my case if you don't like what you see." So no-one can randomly click a link and see something they wouldn't have wanted to see, and potentially get the author in trouble for it.

[hoshika.livejournal.com]

Here we go again...

I'm not even going to bother being nice today: STFU and sit down entitled fan brat.

[(Anonymous)]

Honestly, I think it's perfectly understandable that the artist of this comic would want to be careful about her readership and "shoot herself in the foot" in terms of popularity because of just how potentially offensive the series is. She's a very skilled artist. Anyone who's seen her work can attest to that, so I don't think she will have too much trouble putting something else forward if this achieves reasonable success - which it already has, but it really is quite an uncomfortable series.

In a way, Mitternacht Marine is even more controversial than Hetalia because - she admits it herself - it's a comic about personified weapons. Weapons in the real world that have killed people, that are rooted very much in real live wars that have touched peoples lives in pretty devastating ways. It's history, but while Hetalia touches on the cultures of countries and little quirks as much as any events themselves, the fact that these are weapons of war pretty much grounds them in the gritty, ridiculously sensitive side of the past.

Not to mention she addresses them directly in her darker comics.

This "entitled" attitude worries me because... I'm actually a fan. I've followed the series for probably more than a year now - but it's sensitive. I can see so much wrong with it; the artist's view of history is ridiculously skewed/biased, to the point where I feel literally uncomfortable about it.

Please, keep this in mind and see that this is why she doesn't want her work being spread too far. I wouldn't want to get in trouble for indulging what people call "genocidal worshiping", and neither does she.