[ SECRET POST #164 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #164 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: 2

[(Anonymous)]

This is Lacus Clyne, actually. Most people love Lacus. Part of what made me hate her was her frightening fanbase, many of which will beat you up if you don't proclaim her your favorite character or close to it. That, and she's an undeniable Mary Sue (no, really; she's a pop singer and filthy rich and her dad was a prominent politician and she is very influential of public opinion and everyone loves her and she's very beautiful and kind and loving and noble and vulnerable and managed to help stop a huge battle just by giving a speech, etc.).

Everyone hates Fllay for being manipulative and cowardly, and for that I love her because she's easily the most flawed and one of the most sympathetic characters in the whole series.

Does that help, a little bit?

Re: 2

[(Anonymous)]

Many members of which, whoops. a;sldkfj

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[charmwitch.livejournal.com]

I like Fllay, it's kind of disappointing when flawed characters are the ones that die, because I think they're the most interesting to watch develop and grow. Unless the death is part of their development, which really isn't the case here.

Re: 2

[(Anonymous)]

Yes, and what really gets me is that a lot of fans think she deserved to die. No, she didn't. All she was trying to do was survive in a world where everyone seemed to hate her.

Also that message from the astral plane business to Kira was kind of silly, especially since I don't like Kira much either, but oh well.

SEED and Destiny ended up killing off almost all the characters I liked. :(

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[sarajayechan.livejournal.com]

she's an undeniable Mary Sue

Woah there, cowboy/girl. You're headed for dangerous and wanky territory with that. Not a SEED fan, so I can't argue here, but still.

Re: 2

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, sorry about that. My personal opinion remains the same, but I should have chosen my words more carefully.

Re: 2

[sarajayechan.livejournal.com]

*nods* If you personally think she's a Sue, fine and dandy, but 'undeniable' is like 'SHE'S A SUE AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE WITH ME YOU'RE BLIND AND STUPID'. But I'm a Miaka fan who's dealt with idiots pulling that crap so I kneejerk over that.

Re: 2

[sarajayechan.livejournal.com]

Because she's lucky, "all the boys" (read: 3; Nuriko didn't mean romantic love and Amiboshi's feelings were only a crush at the most) fall in love with her, she gets a lot of attention (she's the heroine, so DUH), everyone's really protective over her and if something bad happens to her all hell breaks loose (and hell broke loose when Nuriko and Chiriko died, and when Yui got eaten by Seiryuu, no one calls them Sues!).

And because they hate her. Which is apparently a perfectly good reason.

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[samuraiter.livejournal.com]

(She is a certifiable Sue, Sara. The main character -- Kira -- is based on series director Fukuda, and Lacus is based on his wife, who also did the script for the series. Speaking as a Gundam nut.)

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[sarajayechan.livejournal.com]

That's more creator-avatar than Sue.

Re: 2

[(Anonymous)]

I can see why you'd think that, and I probably should have chosen my words more carefully. Personally, I'm capable of liking characters even when I recognize they are Sues, and I thought Lacus was a Sue even before I hated her (that came later on in the series). Still, though. Sorry for that.

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[(Anonymous)]

She isn't the center of the universe and better than everyone else at everything because she isn't the protagonist; all those traits apply to Kira instead (whom I also consider a Sue, but that's beside the point). My definition varies from yours a little, I think. In my view all the other traits I listed make up for her not being the super awesome main character.

She's kind of painted as the perfect woman instead, and a great majority of her fanbase is male, I've found. (But then, most of the show's fans are male, too.)

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[(Anonymous)]

I'm not really sure what types of characters can be considered moe, but. Lacus is presented as a strong character but at the same time needily clings to her boyfriend, which is another thing that kind of ticked me off, I guess.

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[militarypenguin.livejournal.com]

I think her fanbase comes more from the admiration of her character's qualities than how her character is written.

Myself, I can't really say whether I consider Lacus to be a Sue or not because I haven't finished SEED or watched the Destiny sequel (mainly because I've heard about how much it sucks), but from what I've seen? She's definitely borderline. However, I think it's less about how strong she is and more none of the characters seem to acknowledge her weaknesses, and the ones who do are the bad guys or just eventually end up biting the dust (see: Fllay).