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⌈ Secret Post #1676 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Toriko]

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[Bubble Sisters, After School, Beast and T-ARA]

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[Yu-Gi-Oh! Duel Monsters]

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[Frezned/YouTube]

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[Orc Stain]

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[Tiger & Bunny]

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[My Fair Lady]

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(Strawberry Shortcake's Berry Bitty Adventures)

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[Glee]

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20. [SPOILERS for Harry Potter]

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21. [SPOILERS for Harry Potter]

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22. [SPOILERS for Voyager]

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23. [SPOILERS for Agents of Cracked]

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24. [SPOILERS for A Dance with Dragons/A Song of Ice and Fire]

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25. [SPOILERS for A Dance with Dragons]

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26. [SPOILERS for A Dance with Dragons]

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27. [TRIGGER WARNING for self injury]

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28. [TRIGGER WARNING for suicide]

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29. [TRIGGER WARNING for non-con and pedophilia]

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"two guys, one girl, consensual double penetration." Because one is a horrifying idea and the other is not.

It's horrifying to you. Oddly, horror is a subjective concept. But at least you got the point that it's an idea -- which is nice because that way we don't have to sort the acceptable from the unacceptable. It's all thoughts.

I assume you also disapprove of rape prompts? Unless it's condemned in fic and tamped out of any trace of trying to arouse.

I would probably judge a person who says "I fantasize about holding people down and violently raping them." I would not judge a person who says, "I have a fantasy about being raped." In the same way, I disapprove of some underage fic but not others, and in many cases it comes down to what experience is being fetishized (the experience of attacking or the experience of being attacked).

Do you really disagree that some ideas should be universally horrifying, like genocide and rape of children? Sex does horrify some people. But it's not a widely agreed horrifying thing in most parts of the world nowadays. Sex with a baby is pretty much universally agreed to be a horrifying atrocity.

it comes down to what experience is being fetishized (the experience of attacking or the experience of being attacked).

can i just say that i'm really really happy that you made this distinction, even if i don't really necessarily agree with your point overall? because a lot of people fail to do this and i think it can make a big difference.

Do you really disagree that some ideas should be universally horrifying, like genocide and rape of children?

I don't understand where you're going with this. Rape of women or men ISN'T universally horrifying? Or it isn't as long as you're envisioning yourself as the victim?

What if you're a woman reading a m/f rapefic and get off to it envisioning yourself as the man raping the woman? Is it okay if the reader in question is a rape victim? In the prompts quoted, many of them talk about de-aged adults. Is that more acceptable than if they're regular children? What if they keep their memories and maturity in a children's body?

Sexual fantasy doesn't follow any of the rules or logic of actual happening-in-reality phenomena. Someone saying "I want to read a fic where a man rapes a woman, and I will probably imagine myself as the man" is NOT saying "I want to rape people," just as someone saying "I want to read a fic where a man rapes a woman, and I will probably imagine myself as the woman" is NOT saying "I want to be raped." This is Kinky Porn 101 here.

I disapprove of some underage fic but not others, and in many cases it comes down to what experience is being fetishized (the experience of attacking or the experience of being attacked).

This is the definition of policing thought. In addition to being misguided, it's totally impossible in practice, because the act of fantasizing rarely if ever keeps matters so separate and clear-cut.

I just want to say "thank you" for your eloquent and well-thought-out responses to this topic.

Well-thought-out? Really? To me, this argument sounds disturbingly similar to those die-hards who insist that the American Civil War was really about state rights, while glossing over the fact that the last straw for the South was the "right" to buy and sell people.

What? No really, what? I literally have no idea how this in any way relates to the comments above or the discussion at large.

I love you. Your responses have all been golden. Very well thought out. I don't read porny fiction featuring underage characters but I still agree with all of your points. It is perfectly okay to be creeped out by prompts like those (heck, I am) but the hypocrisy on this subject is astonishing.
I myself have a some sort of nazi kink. It's more to do with the uniforms and the powerful aura around them than anything else and I in NO way support nazis and their ideas. But try to explain that to people. I only need to draw a freaking picture of a nazi and I get judged to be one of them.

What I don't understand is:
*prompting nazis and underage* --> "OMG you sick bastard! You totally fantasize about doing this stuff IRL and you totally support Hitler and want to molest children."
*prompting rape, torture, slaves, murder etc.* --> "That's perfectly okay :). It's just fiction!"

I don't think the distinction works, though. Because the fantasy of being attacked would come from a more submissive sexuality, and fantasizing about attacking (in a fictional setting) may by the same token come from a more dominant sexuality. It is like, some people have rape fantasies, and some may act out consensual rape play. There is a partner in that setting, someone who is playing the role of the rapist in the fantasy. And as long as all the actual real life sex acts are consensual, there is nothing wrong with being the person in that role. And in the fictional setting, there is nothing any more wrong with those rape fantasies from the rapist POV. Because fiction does not equal reality, and in real life someone with those fantasies is going to engage in consensual sexual acts that may have some connection to the fantasies (bondage, consensual rape play, etc.).

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