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fandomsecrets2011-08-08 08:05 pm
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Re: AYRT
(Anonymous) 2011-08-10 02:23 pm (UTC)(link)I understand a different thing about Canon Sues, they being a canon character transformed into a Sue. Not a canon character that has the same points as Sues in fandom.
The character you describe may be annoying and unrealistic. I agree: in real world things aren't like that and neither are people. But we must think that canon are usually unrealistic (and not only Harry Potter or LOTR, romantic stories are too, in example, and they're supposed to be based in the real world...) and, most important, we may think that being unrealistic =/= Sue.
It's true Sues are usually unrealistic and it comes with a story that is unrealistic too. But I don't think the main point of Sues is that their personalities aren't credible, main point for me is that they STEAL a story that ISN'T ABOUT THEM.
I don't say that can't happen to you while writing original fiction (a secondary character getting more and more importance), but you can always correct it with other things. Readers may think you don't know how to write or that your reasons are stupid, but you have the option of making it part of your canon.
You can't do that with Sues because you can't change the canon without people knowing it wasn't like that in first place. You don't know if Anne Rice intended to include Armand in the first place, so you can think whatever you want but not assure anything; on the other hand, you know Rowling has not included a super powerful veela mixed with vampire that has to be the next choosen one, so you can say someone's stealing the atention of a story that isn't his/her.
Yes, both cases are annoying and bad-written, but you can't say some character doesn't belong to my canon if that's MY canon. I hope I made sense.
TL;DR: it's different to screw up your canon (which people don't know what you were thinking while making it and even if it ends up being an awful story it may have some reason) than screwing a canon that everyone knows perfectly and where your character has nothing to do in it.
Excuse my English Uu
Re: AYRT
(Anonymous) 2011-08-10 11:51 pm (UTC)(link)Part of the reason I feel so strongly about this is that I think it could mislead young writers. If they hear "Oh, Mary Sues can only be characters written into fandoms that weren't about them before!" they'll think "Oh good! I'll just write original fiction and that way my characters can't be Mary Sues!!" They won't realize that the characters they're creating are going to be just as annoying and grating as any Mary Sue, because they're doing everything that makes Mary Sues awful.
Re: AYRT
(Anonymous) 2011-08-11 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)In the case you expose I would say their character isn't well made at all. "Your character is awful", somehow. But Mary Sue was named after a fanfiction and was named because it was in that fanfic, not because her personality but because she was better than THE CANON CHARACTERS.
Before that fanfic no one would say some characters (even if now they're seen as Mary Sue) were Mary Sue. They were annoying, and unrealistic and a freaking awful super powerful gals, but not Mary Sue.
That's my point: the term was created on a fanfic because that character was on a fandom work. Would you tell me that before that there wasn't "Mary Sue" characters in books/movies/etc.? Of course they were! Bad made characters, but not Mary Sue since that was made after fandom.
That's my opinion, at least! I'm not saying that's better, just that Mary Sue is a fandom term and should stay there.