[ SECRET POST #1680 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1680 ⌋


Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 05 pages, 102 secrets from Secret Submission Post #240.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
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Comments

[malik-chan.livejournal.com]

Not the OP, but how can I be a hipster or oh so edgy if I genuinely hate a person and am sick of all the ass kissing his fans do? But after reading the comments to the secret I hate him even more now.

Why the fuck would I read something that would send me into a blind rage?

[goobbledigook.livejournal.com]

mte. It's really strange to me that his fans go "Yeah he totally was but YOU'RE JUST TRYING TO BE EDGY BY DISLIKING HIM FOR IT".

I thought the common thought process was Someone is a asshole hypocrite > you dislike them for it, but when it's a famous guy it has to go Someone is a asshole hypocrite > MUST UNDERSTAND HIS INNER SECRET PAIN > like him.

[malik-chan.livejournal.com]

It's different when they're famous obviously, just look at Roman Polanski and Whoopi Goldberg's comment about what he did not being "rape rape."

I understand liking asshole characters, since they tend to be interesting, but a real person who's an asshole hypocrite? Just because he was in the Beatles is no excuse (I don't even like the Beatles, they sounded like everyone else when they first became famous, then they became hippies).

[(Anonymous)]

I fail to see what the Polanski business has to do with anything, here. I don't think Lennon gets a favour treatment because he was famous, I think it's rather the contrary.

The point about liking Lennon is that, although he tended to be arsehole-ish, he had huge redeeming qualities. I think people who do know him and like him admire the fact that, although he had a certain tendency to be a bastard, he kept trying to get better, and he eventually did, in the last years of his life. He managed to get a lot of his demons under control and led a rather quiet life as a househusband, going back to music when his son was old enough not to need him all the time anymore.

The Beatles didn't sound like everyone else back then. They sounded like no-one else, that's why they became so famous and started a trend, which was why a lot of bands sounded like them afterwards. And then they became hippies? What's wrong with hippies, they wrote wonderful tunes in these years.

[that-evening.livejournal.com]

Again, not what I was saying. I said the SECRETS were like that. This is fandomsecrets and people try to be edgy all the time. I am about talking ONLY about those who do that.

And frankly, I just find it childish for someone to claim to hate someone based on a few facts and some fans. Don't know the topic that well? Your opinion doesn't hold much weight. If you have legit reasons (however you found them) that's clearly different.

[malik-chan.livejournal.com]

Well, I have found out through the thread that he hit women, so I hate him for being a disgusting human being and I also hate him for being a do nothing hippy, contributing no money to help any of his causes. Of course, I hate hippies.

[(Anonymous)]

oh wow. You really don't know anything about Lennon, then.

He literally gave all of his money to charity during the height of his charity years, including copyrights to some of his songs (the "Imagine" copyrights, which are huge, go to Amnesty International, for instance). Not only that but he also did concerts for charity, hosted events on Tv and on the radio, went to demonstrate and even welcomed people in need of shelter for political reasons in his own house. So much that he got followed very closely by Nixon's FBI and that it took him ages to even get a green card, bothering the authorities as he was with anti Vietnam rallies.

As for the matter of him hitting women, he mentioned doing so but none of the women he ever was with really backed it up. His first wife said he'd slapped her once and his second wife said he never did. One of his main mistresses mentioned him being violent when he was really drunk, which was fairly rare. I think he mostly felt bad from being emotionally abusive, which he was, especially in his early years. That was enough for him to publicly apologize about it and feel terribly guilty for it, when most of the men in the sixties-seventies thought it was okay to rough your girl up when she didn't behave. Including most rock-stars, as a matter of fact.

I hope this broadens your very narrow-minded view of him a little. On you hating hippies well, that's your opinion and you're entitled to it. But I hope you at least know what you're talking about.

[that-evening.livejournal.com]

See, I can understand when someone at least gives reasons.

I agree that hitting women is awful, though he admitted and said he changed greatly when he met Yoko. And he gavemoney and played charity shows so I don't know where that othe came from.

But, yes, I can respect we differ since you can give actual reasons.

[gereiheimer.livejournal.com]

I get what you mean, but see it that way. You're perfectly allowed to dislike someone based on their fans or on a few articles, news or whatever you read here and there. But you have to be aware that your representation of this person is very superficial, and therefore that your dislike of them might not be founded.

So, what the people in this thread were saying is just I guess, do not judge without knowing? Of course, I understand not wanting to bother reading something about someone you don't like. But then, your opinion will always be "I don't like him but I don't actually know much about him, so I'd better shut up." If you read some more, perhaps it could be "I dislike him for legit reasons".