[ SECRET POST #1705 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1705 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 10 pages, 241 secrets from Secret Submission Post #244.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 2 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 3 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 3 4 5 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[goobbledigook.livejournal.com]

I don't really have anything against her and I think her comic is nice, but I'm glad I lost interest before it stopped updating.

Mainly it was because she linked to some webcomic made by a homophobic bigot or something, and when people called it to her attention she wrote a rant about how homophobic bigots are totally alright because you live in America and have nothing to worry about or whatever. I'm not about to pick a fight over opinions or tell other people what to think, but it sure made me not really interested in following her works anymore.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you have any links about that? Or remember what the webcomic she linked to was called? The whole thing sounds like an entertaining read

[goobbledigook.livejournal.com]

Sure. The webcomic she linked to is Ratfist by Doug TenNapel.

Here is the link to her tumblr (http://alexds1.tumblr.com/post/6024196684/you-linked-ratfist-a-while-back-was-wondering-if). I must say however that I can't seem to find the link where she explicitly says the part about America and opinions so take that with a grain of salt - she might not have said it at all even tough I remember reading it.

DA

[(Anonymous)]

I think she sounds incredibly naive here:

"If people don’t want to read his work because they disagree with him, that is totally understandable, but seeing people call him names and bash him for his deep-rooted beliefs seems hilariously, depressingly hypocritical to me.

To sum it up: if someone like Doug isn’t allowed to hold an opinion, then I don’t think anyone should be."

Nobody said he isn't allowed to hold an opinion. His opinions are offensive and hypocritical and people are right when they call him out on it. But she answered it herself: "I’ve done work for Doug".
Sounds like she doesn't want to screw up their deal. Oh well!

Re: DA

[goobbledigook.livejournal.com]

True, I didn't even think on that professional angle and it makes sense. It's ridiculous that people paint some sort of bullshit equivalency between a bigoted opinion and a sane one just to pat themselves in the back over how intellectual they are.

[x-expat.livejournal.com]

What did Doug say that was so horrifically bigoted? Just curious. I mean, I read one opinion he'd posted about animals that made me angry for days. I was thinking of the best, even-minded rebuttal, but by the time I came up with one, the original post had vanished (I suspect more than a few people were ahead of me).

I have met Doug and I have enjoyed his other works (Earthworm Jim and Ghostopolis to name two), but I found Ratfist dark and disappointing overall. A shame, really.

[goobbledigook.livejournal.com]

I found this! (http://gaygamer.net/2011/05/on_ratfist_doug_tennapel_and_w.html).... and frankly after reading it this dude seems pretty stupid and I'm side-eyeing anyone who says his ~~opinions~~ are valid in any way.

[time-ambassador.livejournal.com]

I actually just finished reading through all those comments. I cannot believe he made that AIDS joke, how fucking disgusting can a person get.

[duae.livejournal.com]

Wait a sec.... America is kickin' ass and teh bestest country, but we shouldn't worry about gay rights being taken away because thousands of rights are taken away every day and America sucks for everyone? Whut? Which is it?

[(Anonymous)]

:/ well this is a shame, but thanks for the link though. I think what bothers me more is that most of people in the notes seem to agree with her too, including other webcomic artists I like.

I don't understand why having talent means you get a free pass from being a bigot. If it were any other person, then I'd bet more people would be angry.

[goobbledigook.livejournal.com]

Magnolia Porter? I was disappoint too. :( I'm guessing most people didn't actually read what Doug said on the matter and are just agreeing with a popular/fellow artist... I hope they would react differently then.

[(Anonymous)]

Yes :( I met her at a con and she was incredibly sweet, and I love her work, but sometimes she says things/reblogs things that make me groan. Anyway, I hope you're right about the fellow artist thing, and it's more of a clique thing.

[(Anonymous)]

WOW, I can't believe she would defend someone like that. Yes, he has a right to voice his opinion, but I also have the right to say his opinion is wrong. She really sounds like she's trying to smooth out his image and be all "he's okay guys, really" so that he will continue to offer her work.

I judge people based on who they choose to associate themselves with. If he's comfortable working with someone like him, I have to wonder about her judgement and morals. She seems so hypocritical here.

[childings.livejournal.com]

"but seeing people call him names and bash him for his deep-rooted beliefs seems hilariously, depressingly hypocritical to me."

What kind of logic is this? If you dislike someone for being a bigot that makes you a bigot? What?

OP

[(Anonymous)]

Eww, really? Wow, that just sours her to me even more. :\

Re: OP

[goobbledigook.livejournal.com]

If you enjoy the webcomic I think you could try to separate the author from her behavior in the tutorials tough! So long as her attitude doesn't come across in the comics that is.

I need to correct myself in what I said on the first post tough, it's better if you just read what she said on the matter rather than to take my word for it. I will however, maintain that the attitude that anti-gay bigots have valid opinions and we should respect that they just happen to think gay people deserve less human rights is a pretty disgusting one.

[(Anonymous)]

Ugh, yeah, I remember that. I nearly unfollowed her on tumblr because of it, it made me so angry.

She also wrote something - though my memory's pretty bad - on how people shouldn't whine if society doesn't accept that they're trans or some bullshit. I mean she's still a great artist, but some of her views are... eeeeh.