[ SECRET POST #1714 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1714 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 201 secrets from Secret Submission Post #245.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - hit/ship/spiration ], [ 0 - omgiknowthem ], [ 0 - take it to comments ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
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Comments

[lunelight.livejournal.com]

I don't think Sansa-hate is inherently misogyny

I think it easily can be when she's being loathed for stuff she did while male characters are frequently given the Draco in Leather Pants (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/DracoInLeatherPants) treatment even after doing much worse than Sansa, and out of overt malice. Most of the stuff Sansa still gets criticized for was done out of plain 13-year-old naivete (for example, she inadvertently gave Cersei information that helped Cersei cause a lot of bad things because she still believed the court was noble).

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

THIS. A lot of male characters make a lot worse decisions than Sansa (PAGING RENLY AND STANNIS AND NED AND ROBB) and yet, they don't get the same level of hate that Sansa does. Female characters are held to a higher standard.

[(Anonymous)]

I was just going to say this. Ned doesn't cop nearly as much flack for his bad decisions as Cat does.

[fauxkaren.livejournal.com]

For serious. I have been doing a series of metas on Cat of womenlovefest, so I'm in an especially Cat-defending and stanning mood right now, and like her bad decisions don't have nearly the impact that Ned's do. And most of the consequences are things she could not have foreseen whereas Ned's decision to let Cersei flee was pretty obviously going to end badly.

[fadeinthewash.livejournal.com]

To be fair, 3/4 of the male characters you named are now dead and gone, and we didn't even get POV chapters for 3 of them, either.

[(Anonymous)]

Just thought I should point out Sansa is 11 in the books. So yeah. What the hell would a sheltered 11 year old girl know about courtly intrigue?

[demeure.livejournal.com]

+100.

[lunelight.livejournal.com]

...you are totally right! I forgot they aged her up for the show. So, yeah, point stands even more.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

Yes, this so much. I will never understand why the fandom loves Jaime and hates Cersei. He's just as bad as she is, if not worse considering the whole murdering the man he had sworn an oath to serve thing, and yet he is loved while she is hated.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you read the books? I do have issues with how Jamie is presented as an increasingly decent character while Cersei is being turned into a power-hungry monster, but killing Aerys was morally justified.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

I've read the first book. In my mind, it would have been morally justified for almost anyone else to do it. Aerys was a horrible king who needed to be killed. However, Jaime took an oath to serve him. Thus, Jaime being the one to kill him was not okay, particularly because he did it only to put himself ahead not because of any desire to do good.

I know that later on, GRRM tries to redeem Jaime but doesn't do the same with Cersei. That pisses me off, actually. She's the one who is more sympathetic, considering she is a woman in a society that treats women horribly and is stuck in a marriage with an abusive husband who flaunts his cheating in front of her.

[wake-the-dragon.livejournal.com]

Thus, Jaime being the one to kill him was not okay, particularly because he did it only to put himself ahead not because of any desire to do good.

I know you haven't read the other books, but no he didn't. And it didn't really put him ahead; people hate him for what he did.

[amarra-jade.livejournal.com]

I don't want to spoil you, but you'll find out more about Jaime's motivation for killing Aerys when you get to Book 3. Even without that revelation, though, I'd say trying to kill an innocent child is a far worse crime than breaking an oath to serve a murdering madman.

[philstar22.livejournal.com]

Okay, I can still believe that, but I still believe that it should have been someone else killing Aerys. Yes, there is that too. And Jaime is the one responsible for trying to murder Bran. He may have thought he was doing what Cersei wanted, but he was the one who did the act. So in that case, it makes him worse than her on that count too.

[amarra-jade.livejournal.com]

Oh, I didn't mean to say Cersei was responsible for Bran's fall, just that I don't think killing Aerys was the worst of Jaime's crimes.