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⌈ Secret Post #1727 ⌋


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Comments

[antiva.livejournal.com]

Oh I guess that's true. I'm always baffled when I see how many people like S1/S2 Gwen since I really loathed her character 8( I WISH I DIDN'T and I like her better in some fanfiction which I just take as my personal headcanon...

Eh, I didn't much care for S3 and I don't even want to touch S4 since it's apparently more of the S3 feel but I figured I might as well tell OP that if she didn't like S1/2 she might have more luck in liking S3 since they're so drastically different from each other.

Honestly I just think OP saw that scene, liked just that scene because it reminded them of themselves, and just didn't care about the rest of the episode. Especially since, if that was the scene where she cries over cheating on her boyfriend, it's not exactly super relatable in the 'oh I'm so lonely' sense.

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

I agree with everything you said here.

The other day I decided that what they mean by 'Gwen is the one who reminds them how to be human' is 'Gwen is the one who most represents what RTD thinks of humanity'. It explains CoE, MD and Gwen.

[antiva.livejournal.com]

I really love Gwen's character, I just wish she hadn't been written as the 'perfect' person who had her heart in the right place... and then there were the other characters. It just rubbed me the wrong way from day one. Gwen, when taken apart from RTD's writing, is quite cute and makes mistakes and is a fuckup but so are the rest of the characters. And yes, her telling them all that 'at least she has a life' is like, o Gwen, but if it hadn't been written as true and OH SNAP GWEN SURE TOLD THEM I would've liked her attitude on a 'life' a lot more.

I just hated that we were meant to sympathise with her and her alone. I dunno. I think he got a handle on Gwen's character in S3 (and honestly by that time it was logical that she'd wisened up) but by that time I'd already picked my other favourites :(

Oh God I'm sorry I totally went on a Gwen rant ahahaha. I'm the person Torchwood fandom hates xD

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

I'm the person Torchwood fandom hates xD

Me too! Do you mind if I friend you?

What I dislike most about Gwen is that she was a really, really interesting character and in a really interesting position... and they wasted it by trying to make her right all the time, even when she's just met these people, knows nothing about them, and is telling them that they don't know how to be human or how to do their jobs. I just... such a waste.

[antiva.livejournal.com]

Pffthaha as long as you don't mind I hardly post anything ever, sure \o\

Agreed! I love her potential and even though she's not always right she had an interesting role to fill since everyone else in S1 pretty much just went with whatever Jack said. For a story POV, they needed a Gwen! But like you said, she was right and Torchwood was wrong, and it just came off preachy.

Especially after that whole retcon fiasco. That was the moment where I pretty much gave up on ever liking Gwen again. That, and then the show never addressing it again ever. I guess it was meant to show that she felt regret for it to make her more understandable to the viewer, but it just came across as incredibly selfish and thoughtless. :( Poor Rhys.

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

I've not updated in three weeks. Drowning in Big Bang stuff.

The Retcon fiasco was terrible. I think we were meant to feel sorry for her? But I have no idea why anyone would :/

[antiva.livejournal.com]

Ooh! I wish I'd signed up for that but at the same time I really... can't write. White pages scare me. Even Clippit hates me!

I would've felt sorry for her had she admitted to the cheating without the retcon, but I guess having Rhys and Gwen be in a fight would've meant that Gwen didn't have the perfect life outside of Torchwood anymore and that could be complicating the writing...? I don't know why they wrote that and thought it would be anything less than terrible though. Who agreed to that?!

Hahaha yeah that was about as big of a mess as the writing of Owen and the alien pheromone spray in episode 1, which was meant to be like a hilarious Axe-effect commercial knock-off... and then it just became rape-y instead and sobs, Torchwood writing has always been kind of awkward and needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

I think there were too many cooks and no head chef. RTD was busy, but he still stepped in to mess with the scripts. There was so much potential in that idea, everything from the team to Torchwood itself, and they... failed. I mean, it was fun, and there were some brilliant bits (like Ianto. Everything about him), but it didn't meet its potential *sad*

[antiva.livejournal.com]

I think I kind of love it because of its potential, to be honest. I mean, if you have brilliant, flawless shows, you can't really... add much more to it, you know? Fanfic seems kind of pointless since canon was the only way it could go, characters are already fleshed out. With Torchwood, you can flesh out the characters, give them 'lives' (tm Gwen xD), add funky Doctor Who aliens to the plots, delve up new Torchwood stuff to mess with, make crossovers with all kinds of stuff...

Yep I'm basically admitting I love it because it's flawed and I like the fandom and fanfics. I'm pretty much a terrible fan, haha. But seriously, some fanfic in this fandom is amazing ;-;.

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

I swear, we are mind-twins.

I still wish the show had been better. Mostly I wish that RTD hadn't screwed us over and then laughed about it, but I can cope because of how awesome the fic is.

[antiva.livejournal.com]

I wish we could've gotten a real season 3 with some explanation of Mickey and Martha being married. That was so left up in the air in Doctor Who that it still baffles me to this day. But that's a whole other barrel of fish xD I wish Tosh (and Owen, as well, I suppose, even though he got some real focus at the end there) could've had her time to shine. Tosh was so neglected, like, worse than Ianto. wtf writers ;;

I mostly avoid reading stuff about RTD (and Moffat as well) for that very reason! It's much more fun to be a fan of something when you don't actively resent the writer, sobs.

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

That would have been nice. I was never much a fan of Martha/Mickey because of the established relationship she had with Tom. She was engaged to him when we last saw her, and then she's married to Mickey and... What? I hated everything about 10's farewell apart from the Rose scene.

[antiva.livejournal.com]

Yesss. :( It just felt like, oh right, we had Martha as a companion as well, let's see, what do we do with her? Oh I know, we have Mickey as well, let's just put them together! FLAWLESS.

I mean, I think they have a lot of potential because of their lonely struggles because of the Doctor etc as well as being the one the Doctor pretty much ignored in favor of Rose, but it just felt so random. No buildup, no explanation of Tom. I mean, I've seen it done well and explained in fanfiction which is the only reason I don't actively hate that wave-off.

Yep, 10's final episodes... just... Sigh, let's just say I love 11 a lot more. I want 11 and Jack to meet so badly!

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

11 is so much fun to write! I used to love writing 10,m but now I've got to play with 11, I can't go back. Except to have someone be mean to Jack, for teh angst and for Ianto to glare at him.

[antiva.livejournal.com]

I kind of love 10 because he was such a giant unrepentant dick to most characters, but when he became whiny about it was when I started to dislike him. I liked early 10 a lot, but yes, 11 is my favourite definitely! I can't wait to read your 11 then :)

I always think Ianto meeting the Doctor would be amazing, although I think he'd get on more with 10 than 11, oddly enough. 11 is too... random, probably? Don't know.

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

Early 10 was fun, before he got angsty. He was fun with Donna too, though.

Ianto would not know what to do with 11. I don't think Jack would either though, so that would ease the situation a bit.

I'm always worried that 11 is going to explode with excitement

[antiva.livejournal.com]

Yesss, 10 & Donna was the best thing about Doctor Who. I liked Martha, but the awkward one-sided crush... It made me sad for her.

HAHAHA I think (read: hope) 11 likes Jack a lot more than 10 did! Which would definitely throw Jack a bit xD Ianto would probably just look at his bowtie and jacket and... I dunno, turn around and make coffee and ignore that ever happened.

11 loves everything! Even cybermats. Bitey!

[fiwen1010.livejournal.com]

11 would be all "Jack! You smell of time!"

And Jack would be all "O.O"

And Iatno would me "O.o"

And then 11 would hug them and spot somehting shiny and be distracted.