fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #1744 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1744 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[tinker tailor soldier spy]

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[Pokemon]

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[Disgaea 2]

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[Reborn]

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[Yahtzee/Cinema Snob]

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[Fruits Basket]

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[Sherlock]

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[Teahouse]

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[Glee]

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[Law & Order: Special Victims Unit]

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[Jem]

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[Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII]

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[Sherlock (BBC)]

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[Kingdom Hearts]

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[Reba]

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[South Park/Black Dagger Brotherhood]

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[Society]

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[Paris Hilton/Baccano!!]

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[Paranoia Agent]

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[HIMYM]

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[American Beauty]

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(Phantom of the Opera/Ramin Karimloo/Hadley Fraser/Sierra Boggess)

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24. [repeat]

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[Card Captor Sakura]

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[Steve Jobs]

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(adventure time)

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[Supernatural]

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[Owl City]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[The Phantom of the Opera 25th Anniversary edition]

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[Glee]

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[HP]

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[HP]

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[Harry Potter and the Methods of Rationality]

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[HP]

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37. [TRIGGER WARNING for miscarriage, depression]

[HP]

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Secrets Left to Post: 04 pages, 094 secrets from Secret Submission Post #248.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 - too big ], [ 1 (yes, AGAIN) - repeat ].
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(Phantom of the Opera/Ramin Karimloo/Hadley Fraser/Sierra Boggess)

Loads of Phantom fans have been saying the same thing for, oh, about 25 years.

I thought more people agreed with #31?

Both opinions are pretty much equally common in Phantom fandom, so I don't really see why either would need to be kept secret!

This. Good job, lady.

wait I thought you shipped E/C?

I didn't say anything about what I ship, just pointed out that the OP's opinion is common in the Phantom fandom, and has been since it started. There have always been arguments about it, and there have always been people passionately agreeing with both sides.

Yeah, myself, for example, I staunchly ship E/C; but I absolutely agree that Raoul is by far the better choice. I just identify mostly with Erik so I want him to have a happy ending, haha.

But I don't think Christine made the wrong choice by any means, and IRL, DUDE don't pick the Phantom! XD Screw what he looks like; he's a crazy, selfish, violent stalker. Not a good idea.

Not that Raoul is perfect, but jeez, handsome, rich, titled military man (he was in the French Navy, as you well know) who is willing to risk his life to save you and then walk away-- not the wrong choice.

"He kills without a thought, he murders all that's good"

Hell yeah I'd choose Raoul.

Funny. I felt the EXACT opposite. I always understood that Erik/Christine was a problematic (yet interesting) dynamic. But this Raoul, to me, was somehow a class A, manipulative dick, and I wanted her to dump him ASAP, while this version of the Phantom seemed particularly sad and sympathetic. YMMV

Out of curiosity, how was Raoul more manipulative than the Phantom?

he's not, but, he's in the position of privilege so has to live up to higher standards

I'm not sure I understand. What standards does he fail?

he fails at not being a manipulative dick
the phantom also fails at not being manipulative but as he's the oppressed rather than the privileged he's cut more slack for it

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He's manipulative in different ways. It has always been in the story, but I thought the acting/chemistry really brought it out in the 25th anniversary edition.

For example, he basically coerces her to be "bait" for the phantom, while she clearly doesn't want to - she's scared and fears her safety. He guilt-trips her about not wearing his ring, while she has her reasons not to wear it. He also basically waltzes into her life, waiting to be welcomed back (and adored) while he hasn't seen her for years.

I'm not saying the Phantom is not manipulative - but he's basically been ridiculed and hated by everyone. Raoul had everything handed on a silver platter and well, he's still a dick.

I disagree, but I can see how different actors can give weight to different aspects. I may feel differently, but I can at least see where you're coming from.

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I'm glad somebody else saw that. Like you said below, I'm usually pretty indifferent to Raoul too but in this version he was just obnoxious.

Yay for the Raoul love!

He's not really all that bad! I mean, he doesn't murder anyone, for one... >__>;;

Geoff Packard's Raoul was what won me over to the R/C side- nothing to be ashamed of.

I've never seen those two perform PoTO, so I can't really give an opinion.

Personally, I prefer Erik/Christine, even though I know it's not a healthy relationship. The first version of PoTO I saw was the 2004 film by ALW, and I was immediately turned off by Raoul and the guy who played him. Even though I've seen other versions, I've always just preferred E/C over E/R. Anyway, I'll definitely check out the play performed by... the people you mentioned. I'd like to see a play/movie where Raoul is actually likable/

I thought both men were dicks tbh. I suppose that Erik is still the worst choice, though. You know. Because of the murders.

Add me to the "both are dicks" camp. I always read Christine (esp. book version) as being stuck walking the line between two crappy options and not knowing how to wriggle out of the whole mess entirely.

Awww for the sentiment and for saying nice things about Raoul in general.

You're welcome. :)

I agree. The Phantom is a murderer. I feel sorry for him but he actually killed people! That she knew! I'd run a mile from a guy like that irl.