[ SECRET POST #1754 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1754 ⌋


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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Tbh I'm tired of both extremes, you either have kickass, strong, fierce, bitchy, incredibly smart females or shy, highly sensitive, innocent ones who serve as a plot device.
Is it so hard to write a normal woman with a defined personality and a balanced amount of flaws and qualities? I'm trying not to generalize, plenty of shows have great, well written females but I keep running in walking stereotypes and this upsets me a little.

[dragonladyk.livejournal.com]

THIS.

That being said, if the character is going to be wrong-footed somehow, it needs to make sense. The rookie cop fresh out of the Academy throwing up at a crime scene and seriously questioning her fitness to be a cop? Acceptable. A fresh-out-of-the-Academy agent being inducted into an elite unit previously established to have a waiting list a mile long and THEN being a newb everywhere? Not realistic, needs to go. The CMO of a top-secret best-of-the-best-of-the-best-sir mission going into a tithery indecision on 7/10 missions and needed to be rescued on all ten (and still somehow being allowed to stay) and then commits three major ethics violations that are NOT of the black-ops variety? HATE.

DragonLady

[(Anonymous)]

I know Seaver from Criminal Minds is your second example, who is first and third? I'm thinking Rookie Blue as first? Third sounds atrocious. The Seaver clusterfuck was bad enough

[dragonladyk.livejournal.com]

The first is half Holly Gribbs from CSI (who I loved, and was actually sad she died even though it was literally the Pilot ep) and half Jordan Todd from Criminal Minds (who was very well-written, especially considering the writers had the restriction that she couldn't be too likeable so the audience wouldn't end up prefering her to the returning JJ). The third is Jennifer Keller from Stargate Atlantis. She started out awesome. Then she got atrocious.

Criminal Minds does the best job with making non-badass females appealing. The victims are just regular women in horrid circumstances, some of them freeze or cry or panic or try to escape and fail, but you're still sorry when they get offed or are happy when they're rescued. And then a victim comes along and pulls it together better than even she thought she could, and completely wows you, just to prove that the show is as far from glorifying female victimization as possible. ♥

DragonLady

[sophiesenoo.livejournal.com]

Yeah, pretty much this. I'm tired of both.

(and funny how some people complain about "super-smart" women but not super-smart men *cough*Sherlock*cough*)

[fm-gatekeeper.livejournal.com]

The thing is that super-smart men often also have severe character flaws and negative traits that balance out with their super-smart-ness. Take Sherlock in the recent BBC adaptation Sherlock, for example. He's incredibly intelligent and perceptive, yes, but he's also unbelievably ignorant about some things, socially inept, and arguably a total adrenaline junky.

Whereas, most of the time when I've seen them at least, super-smart female characters are defined by that one trait--their ~super-smart-ness~--maybe with the addition of also being ~fashionable~ or ~dorky~ or some other stock descriptor. They're stereotypes and not characters.

Ugh I could go on about this all day, but basically what I'm trying to say is: a lot of people suck at writing female characters that are anywhere near as developed as their male characters. And it sucks.