But it does bother me when some people - not you, from my limited view here, but some people - use causes such as feminism to act however they want and disregard the consequences because their demographic has been mistreated in the past.
Please, point me to an example of this in this discussion, because I haven't seen any of that. I've seen people getting rightfully enraged by a sexist asshole who continued being a sexist asshole and insulting and throwing slurs at women throughout the conversation, and responding with that rage. None of them were "using feminism as an excuse." I don't know what the fuck you're even talking about. I have tried to be polite here, but this is just bullshit. This is just you talking about something that did not happen, making shit up, to discredit the valid feelings and opinions of the feminists in this thread who spoke against davidshephard.
It bothers me when the name of equality is used to torment and attack perfectly nice people
Someone who uses misogynistic language and slurs against actual women is not in any case ever a "perfectly nice person". That's bullshit. Seriously, you're making this guy out to be a fucking saint -- is it that hard to say "the feminists were right, he was being sexist and an asshole"? I mean, are you that invested in discrediting feminists and women in favor of a man who called women "bitches," attempted to discredit their valid feelings and responses by playing it off as their just being "fat, ugly feminazis" and thus bitter, and compared women who are for equal rights to motherfucking Nazis? Because this is all bullshit. NO ONE HERE has attacked "perfectly nice people" just because they're male. NO ONE HERE has kept anyone from defending their words and actions. You're seriously not even in the realm of reality anymore with this comment. The ONLY person who kept davidshephard from defending his own (bigoted, ugly, gross) remarks was himself, by deleting his account in a raging fit of butthurt.
It also bothers me that these conversations cannot, physically CANNOT, take place without the words "privilege" and "ignorance" showing up.
NO SHIT, SHERLOCK. Seriously, you can't have these kinds of conversations without these words coming up because THESE WORDS ARE IMPORTANT TO THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS. You can't discuss sexism without acknowledging and dealing with the privilege men have over women in society. And you sure as fuck can't educate a single person without acknowledging and dealing with said person's ignorance. And a lot of people -- yourself included, as I said above -- have been very, very ignorant in this thread. It's really gross. And people should be called on that ignorance. People should also be called on their privilege when they're flaunting it or trying to pretend it doesn't exist. It's not just bullshit and they're not just meaningless words -- these are important concepts. Important words.
(Oh my god I just exceeded the max character limit twice. I JUST HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS. And I think I'm out of Hawkeye icons, so have some Pepper. Moar badass women for all.)
Re: Are there any men watching?
Please, point me to an example of this in this discussion, because I haven't seen any of that. I've seen people getting rightfully enraged by a sexist asshole who continued being a sexist asshole and insulting and throwing slurs at women throughout the conversation, and responding with that rage. None of them were "using feminism as an excuse." I don't know what the fuck you're even talking about. I have tried to be polite here, but this is just bullshit. This is just you talking about something that did not happen, making shit up, to discredit the valid feelings and opinions of the feminists in this thread who spoke against davidshephard.
It bothers me when the name of equality is used to torment and attack perfectly nice people
Someone who uses misogynistic language and slurs against actual women is not in any case ever a "perfectly nice person". That's bullshit. Seriously, you're making this guy out to be a fucking saint -- is it that hard to say "the feminists were right, he was being sexist and an asshole"? I mean, are you that invested in discrediting feminists and women in favor of a man who called women "bitches," attempted to discredit their valid feelings and responses by playing it off as their just being "fat, ugly feminazis" and thus bitter, and compared women who are for equal rights to motherfucking Nazis? Because this is all bullshit. NO ONE HERE has attacked "perfectly nice people" just because they're male. NO ONE HERE has kept anyone from defending their words and actions. You're seriously not even in the realm of reality anymore with this comment. The ONLY person who kept davidshephard from defending his own (bigoted, ugly, gross) remarks was himself, by deleting his account in a raging fit of butthurt.
It also bothers me that these conversations cannot, physically CANNOT, take place without the words "privilege" and "ignorance" showing up.
NO SHIT, SHERLOCK. Seriously, you can't have these kinds of conversations without these words coming up because THESE WORDS ARE IMPORTANT TO THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS. You can't discuss sexism without acknowledging and dealing with the privilege men have over women in society. And you sure as fuck can't educate a single person without acknowledging and dealing with said person's ignorance. And a lot of people -- yourself included, as I said above -- have been very, very ignorant in this thread. It's really gross. And people should be called on that ignorance. People should also be called on their privilege when they're flaunting it or trying to pretend it doesn't exist. It's not just bullshit and they're not just meaningless words -- these are important concepts. Important words.
(Oh my god I just exceeded the max character limit twice. I JUST HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS. And I think I'm out of Hawkeye icons, so have some Pepper. Moar badass women for all.)