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⌈ Secret Post #1755 ⌋

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But it does bother me when some people - not you, from my limited view here, but some people - use causes such as feminism to act however they want and disregard the consequences because their demographic has been mistreated in the past.

Please, point me to an example of this in this discussion, because I haven't seen any of that. I've seen people getting rightfully enraged by a sexist asshole who continued being a sexist asshole and insulting and throwing slurs at women throughout the conversation, and responding with that rage. None of them were "using feminism as an excuse." I don't know what the fuck you're even talking about. I have tried to be polite here, but this is just bullshit. This is just you talking about something that did not happen, making shit up, to discredit the valid feelings and opinions of the feminists in this thread who spoke against davidshephard.

It bothers me when the name of equality is used to torment and attack perfectly nice people

Someone who uses misogynistic language and slurs against actual women is not in any case ever a "perfectly nice person". That's bullshit. Seriously, you're making this guy out to be a fucking saint -- is it that hard to say "the feminists were right, he was being sexist and an asshole"? I mean, are you that invested in discrediting feminists and women in favor of a man who called women "bitches," attempted to discredit their valid feelings and responses by playing it off as their just being "fat, ugly feminazis" and thus bitter, and compared women who are for equal rights to motherfucking Nazis? Because this is all bullshit. NO ONE HERE has attacked "perfectly nice people" just because they're male. NO ONE HERE has kept anyone from defending their words and actions. You're seriously not even in the realm of reality anymore with this comment. The ONLY person who kept davidshephard from defending his own (bigoted, ugly, gross) remarks was himself, by deleting his account in a raging fit of butthurt.

It also bothers me that these conversations cannot, physically CANNOT, take place without the words "privilege" and "ignorance" showing up.

NO SHIT, SHERLOCK. Seriously, you can't have these kinds of conversations without these words coming up because THESE WORDS ARE IMPORTANT TO THESE KINDS OF CONVERSATIONS. You can't discuss sexism without acknowledging and dealing with the privilege men have over women in society. And you sure as fuck can't educate a single person without acknowledging and dealing with said person's ignorance. And a lot of people -- yourself included, as I said above -- have been very, very ignorant in this thread. It's really gross. And people should be called on that ignorance. People should also be called on their privilege when they're flaunting it or trying to pretend it doesn't exist. It's not just bullshit and they're not just meaningless words -- these are important concepts. Important words.

(Oh my god I just exceeded the max character limit twice. I JUST HAVE A LOT OF FEELINGS. And I think I'm out of Hawkeye icons, so have some Pepper. Moar badass women for all.)

this is a very good post and you should feel good about it

except

i think it's fair to say it's utterly wasted on mondaisenshi. they are very set on remaining completely ignorant about everything and just blocking everything out so they can whine more about how men are being oppressed by feminists.

sad but true.

Thank you! ♥

I do wonder if it's a wasted effort, but I figure it's better to try, even if it doesn't get through, than to just let ignorance go unchecked... you know?

(I think sometimes that I should go into teaching, but I just don't have the patience in person, lol.)

aww you are so much more patient than i am though. i just rage so much at assholes like this.

and you're right, it's probably better to try. it's just so annoying when you go to the effort of writing in detail about something and they just respond with the same old "but... what about the poor men" like they didn't even read a single word.

Thanks <3 I really try my best, but sometimes I do lose my temper. It's really, really hard. So so so many times I just want to idk, throw something or strangle a plushy or something. I usually vent to my bff and then sit down and try to compose a coherent reply... which doesn't always work ;P

Yeah, I know what you mean :\ and it's totally happening here. But I just can never give up. idk I'm stupidly tenacious like that, lol.

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