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⌈ Secret Post #1755 ⌋

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I agree completely, anon. It's always bothered me that his depression in the fifth book was never properly addressed and that fans write it off as him being annoying and too whiny. As a person, Harry is flawed. Yeah he's a hero, but he's still just a kid, a boy who was abused growing up and then had the weight of the world placed on his shoulders. People died at Voldemort's hand, and in a way he will probably always believe that some of them died because of him.

Depression comes in many forms, Harry's was rage. I think part of the problem is the way our society views depression and how limited anyone's knowledge of serious things like PTSD is. Not only did Harry see someone die, he never got to properly grieve or cope with that loss and the guilt that came with Cedric's death. And then the feelings that came with Sirius' I feel he just pushed far down so he wouldn't have to deal and so he wouldn't make the same mistake. Plus, right after Sirius' death he's dumped with the prophecy.

It's gotten to the point that I just assume fans are either too young or too ignorant to educate themselves on depression, and/or other psychological problems, and how they *actually* work as opposed to the incorrect ways it's portrayed at large.

And, I think, no one cares about a trauma survivor unless that survivor is a woobie who is broken and needs to be "fixed" somehow, particularly in a stereotypically non-threatening state. Harry's rage is the exact opposite of that, so it can't/doesn't fit into fandom's fantasy fuel.

I agree completely. It's really sad that people don't care about trauma survivors who act in ways like Harry. I think there's this sense that since he's being mean, he's just being a spoilt brat and also would rather do for himself to cope with his trauma rather than rely on others which means someone can't fix him.

I've seen that trope used countless times in H/D fanfiction. Draco gets to fix Harry after seeing how broken he is and is so touched to the point he acts out of character and is so nice to our broken hero. I'm sure it's a favourite plot device used to pair Harry up with his savior.

order of the phoenix is really special to me for that reason. i've been there. when i was harry's age i felt shut out from my friends, was depressed... it sucks. sometimes you have these uncontrollable bouts of rage. it doesn't make you "emo" or "whiny." it makes you human. and for a kid who has a lot more baggage than your average hormonal, angsty teenager... i'm surprised he managed to get over his anger that quickly.

i love harry, he'll always be my favorite character in the series because as a child who lost a parent and had those confusing emotions, i always found it so easy to relate to him. so i find it really tiresome when people just write off his justified rage and frustration as "annoying" because clearly they have no idea what they're talking about.

I'm in the same boat. In fact, OotP came out only a month and a half after my mother's death and I was very much the angry teen trying to cope. I picked fights with my dad relentlessly and acted like I hated him--and in a way, I did at that time.

Harry's actions were sensible to me and I never hated him for his attitude. Those who do, the vast majority of fans it seems, don't understand and what's even worse, they don't care to. Yes, Harry wasn't being the nicest, and his depression are not excuses or justifications for his treatment of his friends, but it's understandable and forgivable.

JK did a really wonderful job depicting trauma in a way most people tend to write off.

Agreed.

I have chronic depression myself and I still hate Harry as a character. Am I like, allowed to do that? I also hate Order of the Phoenix as a book, but because it's too damn long and has loads of pointless subplots, not because of capslock!Harry. And really, my main problem with capslock!Harry is that he never fucking apologizes. But then again, neither does Ron. Oh wait, I hate Ron too.

You are more than entitled to dislike Harry. Having depression doesn't mean you have to like him. He can still be unlikeable. I like Harry but there are times I want to tell him off because of the things he says or does. He isn't always the nicest person.

And besides, everyone is entitled to their opinions, I just think it is annoying when said opinions come from a place of ignorance and misunderstanding. When a person sits there and says they hate how he acted in the fifth book because it was annoying, they sound very uncaring and ignorant of the things he was dealing with, which I think would make anyone who has dealt with depression feel a bit like they can't talk to that person.

Ron's fairly unlikeable often times. He's bratty and selfish and judgmental. Harry has similar traits.

I like OotP, but my opinion is not your opinion and does not have to be. Likewise, I like Harry but you do not have to.

This. Plus no one gave him any support or sympathy for the loss of his parents in the first place. No wonder he had rage. Rage was the most sane and healthy reaction for him!

Indeed. Not only did he receive no sympathy or support for his loss, for the first ten years all he got was how much his aunt and uncle hate them. On top of that, when he does make it to the Wizarding world everyone is so enamored of him and talks about his parents so highly, but also very sparingly. And some of those people who do talk about his parents (ie, Draco and Snape) do so to insult one or both of them.

Word. Jo herself said that he yelled att his friends because they were the only ones there.

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