[ SECRET POST #1755 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1755 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 206 secrets from Secret Submission Post #251.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

I fucking LOLed.

Seriously. Harry has to be the most ridiculous character in the books. "Voldemort killed my parents and has been trying to kill me since I was an infant? I'll be over here making fun of Hermione for being studios and NOT STUDYING EVERY SPELL I CAN. Oh, look! A Snitch!"

[(Anonymous)]

This so much! While his time could have been spent to become a better wizard, he plays air football instead....

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, I don't even like sports, but if I lived in Rowling's wizarding world I'd be playing quidditch all day long!

[billybobfred0.livejournal.com]

Yes, this.

[(Anonymous)]

He's angsting about the wrong things, really petty things. Like "omg why did Ron become prefect, althouh I'm so much better" or "omg why did Ginny get together with blablablabla"

Making fun of people for studying and relying on their help all the time is pretty lame.

[wrestlingdog.livejournal.com]

Yeah, and he's 15. Doesn't mean it's not necessarily stupid, but certainly not out of the ordinary.

[(Anonymous)]

Dunno about you but if I had lost my parents, faced their murderer aka my mortal enemy and saw Sirius and Cedric die in front of me, chest monsters and petty stuff would be the last thing on my mind.

[wrestlingdog.livejournal.com]

There is no normal reaction to trauma or manifestation of grief. You may not react a certain way, but that doesn't mean that it's impossible to care about the more "petty" things. We know from canon that he has nightmares. Personally, if I had all that happen to me, I'd like to at least pretend to have something resembling a "normal" life.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

Nope. I'm judging them for not making any sense. Someone murdered your entire immediate family and tried to kill you when you were child, which obviously says that this person is fucking crazy if they tried to kill a child, you realize that you have magic powers and can protect yourself and what do you do? Well if you're Harry, you DON'T attempt to learn everything you can so that you can be ready at any time that this person could come for you, even though they attack you your first year at school, and you make fun of your friend for actually wanting to learn.

No one said he had to turn into super-angst boy or woobie (which it can be argued that he does. "MY DAD WAS A BULLY. OMG MY LIFE IS OVER.") but he could at least do the logical thing and study once in a while, especially since he has no idea what knowledge he'll actually need to fight this guy if he ever shows up.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

Nope. I reject the idea that there aren't any clues for him to pick up on. HE GETS ATTACKED MY VOLDEMORT DURING HIS FIRST YEAR. He sees Voldemort pretty much come back when he's been hearing that the guy is dead and he ends up in the hospital because of it. How much more of a clue does he need?

No one said he couldn't play Quidditch and do all the normal kid stuff too. He would be fucking boring if he didn't. But he doesn't even bother to take up a book on his own and try to learn some spells so that he can be ready. For the longest time, the thought to study outside of coursework doesn't even cross his mind. And then he goes so far as to make fun of Hermione for studying when she's not even the one that the guy is out to get.

And the "he's a child" thing doesn't jive for me either because people grow up much faster in their world than in ours. You're an adult at 17 years old in their world. And he's still fucking around after the threat becomes real, worrying about who's making the Quidditch team and other unimportant stuff like that. The adults in his life have their own share of blame but that doesn't make Harry any less accountable. I'll give him a break at 11 but after you've been attacked and seen people around you being attacked, it's time to buckle down and do some research of your own. Hermione manages it just fine. He has resources. Even if he never found out a damn thing in all his searching, at least he would have tried. And that's what bothers me. That he didn't try as much as it logically followed that he should have considering the threat against his life.

[rabidsamfan.livejournal.com]

I think you've missed a couple of points. The first is that Harry has spent years with the Dursleys pounding "Don't ask questions!" into his head. And the grownups beyond the Dursleys (his teachers at school, for example) don't appear to have championed him much beyond insisting that he get glasses. He hasn't been given a lot of books to read, hasn't ever been encouraged to develop his own interests, doesn't go on outings, doesn't even have any friends to stimulate his mind with conversations. Not until he gets to Hogwarts. If Harry's learned anything from his life before Hogwarts it's that when you put your head up someone tries to take it off. That sort of life doesn't make for a scholar. It makes for a kid who does what he's asked to do and hopes that no one will punish him for doing it wrong.

Not to mention that he doesn't value himself all that much. Year after year he takes stupid chances with his own life whenever he's convinced that if he dies he will have saved others. :/

[(Anonymous)]

You have no grasp of human psychology. None whatsoever.

[wrestlingdog.livejournal.com]

I agree with you.

+1

[(Anonymous)]

I agree. This is a good comment.

[eerised-da.livejournal.com]

I don't think that's a fair judgment though. He was eleven when he found out and by the time he was old enough to perform more advanced magic, he was also a teenager. Does he have to spend his entire existence focusing on Voldemort? I think he did that enough throughout the series; those little bits of happiness were dearly important to him--they gave him an escape.

All those things are things that teenagers think about: who likes who, what sports to play, make fun of the nerd. He had to add things like "how to destroy Horcuxes", "how to defeat the most evil Dark wizard" to that list because of fate.

And of course finding out his father was a bully would be hard for him to take. He never knew his parents and he had an idealised image of them in his head. He not only found out that image was wrong, he also had to cope with the fact that his dad was the same sort of person who would pick on Harry.

Harry was never the studious type; he was all action. Which does make sense considering he never got to be a normal kid, playing and doing. He was in a box for ten years of his life, where he couldn't do or say or react to the things that went on around him or how he was treated.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

He was eleven when he found out and by the time he was old enough to perform more advanced magic, he was also a teenager.

You're an adult at 17 in HP-verse so the "he's a teenager" thing doesn't get him off the hook for me.

Does he have to spend his entire existence focusing on Voldemort? I think he did that enough throughout the series; those little bits of happiness were dearly important to him--they gave him an escape.


Not his whole entire existence but a bit more than he did in the beginning. Finding out that someone killed your parents and tried to kill you, and then running into that person and having them try to kill you again? And knowing that they STILL wanna kill you? Should have fucking terrified him enough to get his ass into the library every one in a while without being forced by someone being hurt, or dying LOL. I'm not saying he can't be a teenager because he was. But he certainly wasn't a normal one and it just seemed like he waited to long to take up the implications of that.

Harry was never the studious type; he was all action.

And it just seems strange that he never took the initiative earlier and was like "I'm not gonna sit around and wait for his guy to get me. I'm gonna prepare myself." Preparing to possibly be attacked for Voldemort is NOT all reading. He's gotta learn spells and actually practice them and stuff. It involves a TON of action. And it just disappoints me because I feel like he never really took up the amount of responsibility he should have in order to protect himself. I just think he should have cared more about being ready.

[(Anonymous)]

THIS!! couldn't agree more.

[(Anonymous)]

Are you listening to anything people are saying? You're applying this logic and psychology to a child. A child is not an adult. Neither is a teenager an adult when it comes to maturity. You're talking about an abused child in the wizarding world during peace time whom we see grow into a teenager during war time.

Children are not mini adults. Stop trying to argue this.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

Yes, an abused child who really shows no signs of abuse, psychological or otherwise and who a reader would probably never guess was abused if they hadn't been told by the author. Harry's abuse at the hands of the Dursley's barely plays into the story other than "his family members are selfish shitty people. Look how much better than them he is." So saying he's a victim of abuse like it has some serious bearing on his story, like we see him recovering from the trauma of his abuse, or like we even see him suffering any trauma at all as a result of his abuse is just silly. He's more well-adjusted that some of the people in the books who had normal childhoods.

And I know children are not adults. For one, children are generally smarter than adults when it comes to certain things. And Harry's not a child for every single book. He's a kid who grows up under extenuating circumstances in a world where childhood ends much earlier than it does for us.

[sparrow-lately.livejournal.com]

Because one sad thing means you mourn for seven years or you're ridiculous?
Wut.
I'm so seriously behind on my mourning, holy shit! I have to stop enjoying my life because people have died and I best get on that.

[wldcatsprstr-14.livejournal.com]

Who said anything about mourning? I'm talking about taking that as a sign that his life is seriously in danger and cracking a book in the library every once in a while to learn some spells WITHOUT having to be forced by someone having already been injured or killed.

[(Anonymous)]

Your parents being killed and you growing up in a severely abusive household is "one sad thing"?

FOAD