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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2011-10-23 03:44 pm

[ SECRET POST #1755 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1755 ⌋


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(Anonymous) 2011-10-23 11:46 pm (UTC)(link)
I am more outraged about men watching lesbian porn than I ever will be about women, straight or bi or lesbian, writing male/male porn.

Why?

Because men, gay or otherwise, haven't been abused, objectified and exploited by women for sexual purposes for literally hundreds of years, unlike women have been by men.


So, in short: you're making a stupid comparison. Just say "I'm annoyed at the people that want straight women to pretend they're interested in femslash for social justice cookies because that's dumb as shit and women shouldn't be shamed for their sex drives and told they have to direct them toward something more morally correct," because that's a perfectly complaint on its own without drawing false comparisons between women writing slash and men watching lesbian pornos.

(Anonymous) 2011-10-24 03:41 am (UTC)(link)
I don't disagree with you, but I'm bothered by the idea that we should be trying to "get even" with the wrongs of our ancestors of hundreds of years ago. =/

(Anonymous) 2011-10-24 04:10 am (UTC)(link)
There's no 'getting even' involved.

What I'm talking about is context. Sexual objectification is not in and of itself bad, it's the context of how it's been forced on women for men's satisfaction that makes the exploitation of women's sexuality by men bad. Because that context doesn't exist when it comes to men being exploited by women, sexually objectifying them isn't a problem. See?

(Anonymous) 2011-10-24 12:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Sort of. I think you really have to evaluate things on an individual basis though. Also it's important to note that we're talking about fantasy here - there's no real people who are being objectified. Yes, in human history it's sickening that women have been forced into sexual acts and treated as nothing more than objects of mens' enjoyment for years. But this isn't human history, it's fandom where none of the character are real and, thus, no one is getting hurt. Personally I don't think it's "bad" to objectify anyone in that context, if that's what you want to do, and whether you have a bad attitude about it is about the individual, not the sex of the person they happen to like objectifying.