[ SECRET POST #1755 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1755 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 09 pages, 206 secrets from Secret Submission Post #251.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

25. http://i53.tinypic.com/34pyqok.png

[(Anonymous)]

oh, this again.

yawn.

[(Anonymous)]

It's either 1. Butthurt shippers who think there's enough m/m 2. People who think it's ~erasing~ women 3. Butthurt men

[(Anonymous)]

Um, but men are judged for only watching lesbian porn sometimes.

[saturnonjupiter.livejournal.com]

I take a problem with (only) shipping m/m when ALL OF YOUR PAIRINGS INVOLVE STRAIGHT MEN.

To me that just seems like you don't care a bit about the characters as you clearly have no interest in their canon identities, and yes, if they are presented as straight in the show you cannot just assume OH THEY'RE BI TOO. No.

Of course I take the same issue with f/f if the characters are straight. You can't just change their sexualities so you have something to fap to. Go find a show where the chars ARE homosexual/bi so you're not writing OOC nonsense.

[(Anonymous)]

...lol imagine being a lesbian and only writing m/m fics

Yep. I get judged a lot but I don't really give a fuck.

[(Anonymous)]

You're not alone, OP. Apparently fandom seems to assume bisexuality as the norm, and gets all weirded out by straight women who just don't want women in their porn. I don't ~hate~ women. I like female characters, lots of them. But I don't find women sexually attractive. I don't want breasts and vaginas in my porn, it turns me off. I want to read porn about men because I find MEN hot, not women. It's that simple. So unless you think all heterosexual women are just unsuspecting victims of internalised misogyny who would actually be bisexual if they didn't hate women so much (which is dumb), judging people for only shipping m/m is just ridiculous.

[(Anonymous)]

They don't get judged for shipping m/m, they get judged for being fucking annoying about it.

[yui-hime.livejournal.com]

Wait, why am I back in 2003 all of a sudden?

[velvet-mace.livejournal.com]

Dude, the fans who judge you because you choose to write slash exclusively are not your audience and they aren't your friend and therefore their feelings and opinions are not your problem..

Don't get into the mindset where you think you have to win over the hearts and minds of everyone. It will never happen. But fandom is a big enough pond for us all to frolic in it. Haters can have their bitter, angry corner to themselves.

[(Anonymous)]

WELCOME TO LIFE WHERE EVERYONE JUDGES YOU

[bellerose11788.livejournal.com]

I don't get annoyed when they ship m/m, i just hate it when they get annoying about it. I ship m/m f/f and m/f but yaoi fangirls like to shove it down your throat that only their ship is the proper ship and if you ship anyone else you don't know the fandom. That doesn't even include the fact that they are usually crazy. They blatantly ignore canon and then put anyone who enjoys canon down. And there is the whole "if you don't like this yaoi pairing it's because you are a homophobe" shit. No bitch, i don't like Wincest because they are fucking brothers, not because i'm homophobic.
Basically, ship who you want idgaf, but don't be annoying about it. I hate that.

[goobbledigook.livejournal.com]

I wonder if fandom out there is as eager to overreact whenever someone commits the crime of liking slash but not femslash as it happens on this comm. It must get pretty tiring to have to justify your fap material all the time.

[(Anonymous)]

Here is the deal.

Name a few mainstream shows where the "Guys love lesbians!" trope is shown at least once. Even in family-friendly shows.

Now, can you name ONE where it's shown that women might like gay man action?

[(Anonymous)]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_HcWMGPhDbjs/TU3zgVFOPCI/AAAAAAAAAPE/uIxJHiUeefw/s1600/3.JPG

[(Anonymous)]

Judging anyone who doesn't ship Neptune/Uranus tbh.

[captain-loki.livejournal.com]

Because people are entitled to their own preferences...only if those preferences are what I LIKE. RAWR.

I have no idea. I never really understood that. I can understand getting on a soap box for things in mainstream media, getting more equal representation of characters/pairings/orientations etc.

But Fandom is a hobby...people watch a show, they dig two characters together, they write about it...I tend to read only m/m pairings because I get enough of het in everything else that I read/watch.

[(Anonymous)]

Meh. I'll stick to shipping people who imho have the best chemistry together, no matter what their gender is.

[metal-equine.livejournal.com]

"wouldn't make a fuss over male watching f/f porn"?

O.o
Really? What rock have you been living under?

[(Anonymous)]

Because. Don't you know?

M/M slash is EWWWWWW DUDE THAT DOESN'T GO THERE!!!11!!! F/F slash is OMG TWO CHICKS GETTIN' IT ON SO HAWT!!!11!!!

That's the way the stereotypical straight male (and sadly enough, a lot of real guys as well) work.

Or. I hear this a lot. From both females and males. Girls are MUCH MORE in TOUCH with their emotions, so of course girl/girl is more beautiful than boy/boy. Because. OF COURSE. Guys can't be romantic. That's a girl thing. Girls are more SENSITIVE. Boys are so BRUTISH!!! (yeah, right.)

So sorry for the rant, but I hate the whole... M/M shipping isn't romantic, it's all about the sex OR M/M shipping is so EWWWWW because dudes don't do that to other dudes; let's see some chick/chick action instead!! :DDDDD

Yeah. =/

[(Anonymous)]

,,

[(Anonymous)]

There's a difference between shipping a pairing and writing/reading porn of it, though.

To preface: yes, plenty of people are in fandom solely for the porn, plenty of people only like to picture two characters they find hot in a romantic/sexual situation, and people are allowed to ship whatever kind of pairings they want for whatever reasons.

But "shipping" only really means liking a pairing - whether you like the pairing as it is in canon, or vaguely think the idea of it would be nice, or like it in G-rated romance fic, or find it hot and want porn of it - whatever.

And if the only pairings you ever like are m/m, whether in canon or in fic or whatever, in all your fandoms...well, I can't pretend that isn't kind of weird to me. It's your own prerogative and I try not to judge, but it still seems odd.

It's not really any different from someone who only ever likes male characters, with no/little exception. Sure, you can argue "strong" female characters are harder to come by than strong male characters. Sure, you may relate better to male characters than female ones most of the time for whatever reason. Sure, you have the right to like whatever the hell you want.

But when men, men, men is all you like or ever care about in any book/TV show/movie/whatever, I can see why that would raise some eyebrows (especially if you claim to be a huge feminist who likes strong female characters, and all that).

[hikari87.livejournal.com]

because some people are control freak nutjobs who take pron WAY the hell too seriously. That is why. That is why no matter WHAT you get off too, SOMEONE will try their darndest to make you feel bad about it. Personally I don't find porn at all enjoyable, but I don't see why that should mean I need to give a crap if others do, or if they find different types of pairing than I do interesting to read about. But that's just me.

[twenty-rooks.livejournal.com]

I agree that there's this weird assumption in some places that what you write reflect your RL preferences, and that the amount of female characters you write about are the amount of female characters you think should be represented in various canons.

It's just a faulty premise, that's all. No need to care about those people. Or even better, state your opinion (as clearly and calmly as possible) to show that you disagree.