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⌈ Secret Post #1755 ⌋

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Er... what makes me an asshole? The part where I don't tolerate misogyny, or the part where I give as good as I get when insults start getting hurled around the schoolyard?

I just thought your reply was really over the top. Condescending, dripping in sarcasm, etc. and reading the whole conversation, it seemed like the guy in question was kind of an idiot but not necessarily misogynistic. Maybe he is - I don't know where he was coming from at all - but I don't think he said enough for anyone to determine what his underlying attitudes are.

She was dripping in sarcasm? Are you for fucking real? Did you even read his comments?

They both were, but he's already been called out on it - obviously. It's cyclical and escalated every time someone responded. But, yes, point taken.

"feminazi"

"you're from the I'm fat and ugly so I hate men school of feminism, aren't you?"

"bitch"

I think he said plenty to let us know in no uncertain terms he's a misogynist pile of shit.

Attacking one person doesn't necessarily mean he's attacking all women.

Let me be clear - I have no history with this guy, and don't know anything else about him. It seems to me that, while he's acting like an asshat, I don't have the kind of information I'd need to make that kind of assumption.

lol davidshephard quit stanning yourself and g2b like a good little troll

the terms feminazi and bitch are inherently misogynist

as is suggesting a feminist is 'just an ugly fat manhater'

hth

Well, "bitch" at least is a term I've heard directed at both men and women, and even though it's used mainly with women there are insults that are used mainly with men like "bastard" and "prick" so I don't really see the issue there.

"Feminazi" is a term I know very little about, other than hearing it used to refer to very militant feminists, rather than (again) women as a whole. And by "militant" I don't mean pushing the feminist agenda, but just sort of being jerks to anyone and everyone who doesn't agree with them. Every single political and social movement has those jerks.

As for the third - I thought that was just an insult to an individual? Not that it makes it okay, but it doesn't make it anti-feminist. Just because you label yourself as a feminist doesn't mean you are suddenly immune to shit. If a person called themselves, say, a Democrat, and another person said "well you're just a stupid and ugly Democrat", it wouldn't be a cool thing to say, but it's also not an attack against Democrats.

for fuck's sake

research this shit and quit showing your ignorant ass all over the place

bitch is an insult because a bitch is a female dog. it's also been used, and is still used, to put down any woman who disagrees with a man or is too ~confrontational~ toward him. which is exactly how it was used here.

feminazi is offensive because it implies feminism is just like a fascist dictatorship that committed horrible acts of genocide. it implies that men are somehow victimized by feminism and feminists.

the third one? fuck, this is what makes me wonder if you're just trolling, because seriously? how does anyone not see that as sexist? not only did he imply that a woman's only worth is her appearance, he also was suggesting that the only possible reason someone could disagree with his ignorant view of sexism just ~hates men~ which, he implies all over the thread, is totally just as bad as being a misogynist.

learn a little something about context and privilege, maybe then you'll stop stanning for misogynists and whining about how ~people that insult men are just as bad as people being misogynist dicks~

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DA

"Bitch" is not remotely analogous to "bastard" or "prick," and has a far different history -- it's a false equivalency. "Bitch" is a gross slur and compares a woman to an animal -- specifically, to a female dog used for breeding. Think about that for a minute. Considering the treatment of women even now, and still more in the past, this is disgusting.

"Feminazi" is a disgusting and absurd term used to discredit feminists by comparing them to Nazis. Now think about this one for a minute. They are literally saying that by wanting women to have the same rights and privileges as men, feminists are just like Nazis. This is incredibly offensive, and not just because feminists aren't like Nazis. And if you think its use is limited to women who are "jerks" (and really, who decides whether they are or not? Oh yeah. Men), well, you're pretty damn naive. Any woman who dares speak out against a man about sexism and misogyny is pretty automatically termed a "feminazi."

There is a pretty long history of men calling women "ugly" and "fat" in order to discredit and shame them into shutting up and shutting down. Particularly, feminists have been stereotyped as being fat, ugly women who just hate men and want to, idk, put them down or something, rather than ordinary, everyday women who just want equal rights. It's a way to shame women into silence, and it is pretty much only used against women and especially feminists. Calling a feminist a "fat, ugly man-hater" is an attempt to shame her and discredit and disregard her feelings and opinions as just "hating men" and a natural result of her being fat and ugly (because obviously your appearance has so much to do with your intellectual ability, amirite?!). There is a long, long, long history of insults to women's appearances being used to shame and discredit them and shut them up. And again, comparing it to someone insulting a Democrat like that -- which nobody does, by the way, nobody ever looks at someone and goes "you're a Democrat, so you must be fat and ugly!" but they suuure as fuck do with feminists -- is a false equivalency.

As the anon below pointed out, "bitch," "feminazi," calling a feminist an "ugly fat man-hater" and so on? All inherently misogynist. The first two are pretty gross slurs. And when you use a misogynistic slur? Yeah, you're being misogynistic towards women, as a whole. When you refer to a feminist as a "feminazi," you're being misogynistic and offensive to all feminists (not to mention anyone with enough of a brain and sense of decency to realize that comparing a women's rights movement to Nazis is insensitive and wrong). And anyway, if you're okay with using misogynistic slurs against one or two women, that still makes you a misogynist. It doesn't matter if you're attacking one woman or all of them, if you think those kinds of words and phrases are okay, you're a misogynist, and being a misogynist is an attack against women.

Got it now?

I'm not interested in having a dialogue with anyone who is going to be condescending and self-righteous. Takes way too much energy tbh.

hi davidshephard

hope you cry lots to your 'feminist friends' about those mean feminazi bitches on the internet

lol so basically you can't take the heat because you were wrong and being an idiot. I mean, god forbid someone try to educate someone who apparently has NO FUCKING CLUE what constitutes sexism. I hope someday you become less completely, mind-numbingly ignorant. <3

AYRT

He was absolutely being misogynistic, as someone has kindly pointed out to you. He's a misogynistic piece of garbage, and I don't really feel obligated to treat him kindly.

I don't think I was so much being condescending to him as treating him like the vermin he and any other misogynist is. Anyway, I was just replying in kind to his tone when he told a woman who responded to his asinine sexism by telling her to go away because "the grown ups are talking," since he proved himself to have the maturity and critical thinking of an eight year old.

Got me?

Careful - you wouldn't want to be too judgemental now! Remember, you have to give people the benefit of the doubt even when there's nothing to doubt.

Of course, we musn't be rude to men! Why, that would be unthinkable, even when they're using misogynistic slurs and talking to us like we're children! How dare I! I should be more polite and considerate of sexist assholes. :( I should never, ever judge them. I mean, god forbid. Someone might think I'm one of those ~rabid feminazis.

i'm like 90% sure that anon is just davidshephard stanning for himself anyway lol

omg, lol. That would make so much sense. In which case I am loving the faux ignorance.

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I really don't have a response to this that won't result in you giving me the third degree. I am done; we will have to agree to disagree.

this is actually a little embarrassing

is there any way you can be more obvious davidshephard?

...really?

wow.

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;_;

poor baby

so oppressed by those mean feminazi bitches

AYRT

So, what you're saying is essentially that you have no defense for your attempt to downplay and disregard the obvious and gross sexism of the poster I was responding to. Maybe in that case you should reexamine why you think he wasn't being sexist despite the multiple misogynistic slurs ("bitch," "feminazi") he used.

And uh, gtfo while you're at it, because seriously, defending misogynists is fucking gross.

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