[ SECRET POST #1755 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1755 ⌋


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Notes:

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 2 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 1 - repeats ]
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Comments

Re: Are there any men watching?

[curseangel.livejournal.com]

And while misandry is mostly a non-issue (though again, I feel that it does exist, though it is unquestionably barely a fraction of the problem that misogyny is), treating men like dirt just because there's no history to amplify the effect will, in fact, be the foundation that it currently lacks in being an act of sexism, by your definition.

If you are seriously implying that what you even admit is an insignificant (in my opinion, nonexistent) amount of "misandry" will lead to men being treated like women have historically, then you're just a raving idiot. Because seriously, men are never going to be treated like women are. There is no cultural, societal or historical basis for it. It's bullshit. Any and all "sexism against men" in our modern society is simply a reflection of sexism against women -- that is, men in nursing are denigrated not because they're men, but because they're taking a job traditionally taken by women -- meaning, keep up!, that they're being "like a woman," which is what they're denigrated for. And on and on.

If by "misandry" you mean "individual women saying they hate men" or something, you should really consider that a lot of women have really good reasons to hate and/or distrust men. Women who have been raped, stalked, or otherwise hurt or harassed by men often feel that way. And that is PERFECTLY VALID, especially considering rape culture, "dudebro" culture, and so on that condone and encourage that kind of behavior in men.

How about when people get up and point out when someone's behavior is excessive and hurtful? Should it necessarily matter that someone is a feminist if their words are hurtful? Should it matter if the person being insulted is male?

They should say it that way, then. They should say it without using sexist slurs. Imagine that -- a man telling a woman they're being hurtful without resorting to calling her a "bitch" or a "feminazi" or a "man-hater"! Or even without calling her "ugly"! I know, it's hard to believe; so many men are so quick to jump on the stereotype train and think of anyone who disagrees with them as "evil bitch feminazis."

And really, it depends on what you mean about "hurtful words." If you mean "feminists calling out douchebag misogynists," then I don't consider those words hurtful. I consider those words necessary. If you mean "they dared to insult him after he pulled out misogynistic slurs and degrading words/phrases towards women," then you're barking up the wrong fucking tree, cos after someone proves themselves a misogynistic jackass, I find absolutely no reason to be polite or tactful with them. If you hurl misogynistic slurs at me, I no longer have any requirement to "play nice" and refrain from insulting you.

(As an aside, gotta love the double standard here that it's totally okay for the man in this discussion to throw around sexist language, calling people "bitches" and "feminazis" and "ugly" and all kinds of other things, but the women in this discussion, according to you, are being "excessive and hurtful" when they respond to him and call him on being a misogynistic asshole. More practical examples of sexism, right here, in the expectation that no matter what a man says, women should always be polite and demure and "nice." Gag.)