[ SECRET POST #1756 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #1756 ⌋


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 07 pages, 165 secrets from Secret Submission Post #251.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 2 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeats ]
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom.livejournal.com]

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[visiblemarket.livejournal.com]

I'm honestly just getting so bored of Neal waffling about whether he's going to run or not, because you know he's not. If he did, there'd be no show. There has to be another source of tension the writers can come up with at this point.

[(Anonymous)]

And on the flip side they can't ever have Neal face any serious consequences for his actions because again - the show would be over because he'd be and jail (and likely Peter would be fired for allowing Neal to get away with so much). So you have Neal who's supposed to be a felon on parole actually able to do anything he wants (making the anklet a joke); and Peter the fool who lets him get away with it for no reason other than he has to so the show can continue.

[(Anonymous)]

Agreed! Especially since it's fairly obvious that Peter could have solved the whole thing with Kate by simply asking her what the fuck was going on instead of just warning her about staying away from Neal. Seriously there's no fucking reason that plot had to last even one whole season. Now this shit with the treasure and Neal keeping it from Peter? it just makes Neal look like an ungrateful, selfish jerk who never should have been let out of prison and Peter an idiot for having ever having taken a chance with him.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

I agree so much.

[kasumi-sora.livejournal.com]

Your point is so valid.

[sensualcoco.livejournal.com]

Well Peter had every right not to trust Neal this last season.

[nightcamedown.livejournal.com]

Agreed. I was a huge fan of S1, but finally had to give up mid-S2 because the only source of dramatic tension was Neal being a gigantic idiot and Peter indulging him (at risk to his own career) for no reason that I could understand. I agree that the trust issues became silly pretty quickly, becoming completely ridiculous as time went on. White Collar has a fantastic cast, but it's wasted on the writing.

[unifilar.livejournal.com]

SO true about the fantastic cast, poor writing thing. I want everyone on the main cast, as a group, to move to another show with another plot and be amazing. I would LOVE that.

I also want to mention that while the Peter and Neal characterizations sometimes seem dumb to me, I've always appreciated how they write Elizabeth and most of their female characters. It's one of the few shows where I like how they depict women.

[holidaylights.livejournal.com]

I feel like this problem was sort of guaranteed when they came up with the premise for the show.

[(Anonymous)]

That's why I loved the first season, got bored with the second and probably won't watch the third.

[(Anonymous)]

I...to be honest I never got the outright anger and disbelief that is always directed towards Neal when he considers betraying Peter's trust. I mean interesting hoyay aside, he is a con man. A criminal. He was one before he met Peter and there was a reason for it.


On the other hand, yes playing "will he won't he" is annoying as fuck when obviously he won't, seeing as if he did, the entire premise of the show would collapse in on itself. I guess Matt Bomber's abs are supposed to cover up that inconsistency for the audience.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm the first anon who replied above (and the anon who replied to the first commenter above)...

Honestly? I wouldn't be as angry if what was happening now had happened in the first season... Also it's more that they're stretching out plot lines so much that any resolution seems ridiculous and the amount of illegal acts that Neal is allowed to get away with for the sake of the plot.

[(Anonymous)]

oh, yep, definitely. By the end of season one I was hoping that Neal would cut his losses or at the very least they'd drop the plotline. None seems to have happened, and instead Neal seems to be stuck in a world where he always does the right thing the face of increasingly melodramatic temptation.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess that's the problem with this kind of show: some of the plot points get stale really fast.

I think I would have preferred the same premises, but maybe as a mini series or something. But then, I feel the way about a lot of shows, because I just love mini series. While a lot of shows have great first seasons (See: Heroes), many of them have awful subsequent seasons (see: Heroes). If done right, a mini-series can still flesh out characters nicely while telling a compelling story and being able to wrap it up satisfactorily.

[kasumi-sora.livejournal.com]

This is what I really wanted from White Collar at the start. They could have kept their plots and charters (with back story episodes) and still had a good show with good pacing in three shot seasons or less.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what American TV does - runs that shit into the ground and hoes it back up again.

[valenciapilgrim.livejournal.com]

In my mind, the cannon of this show pretty much ended after the wonderful two-hour pilot!...and then I go from there in my mind with the daddyissues! kink and OT3 lovin :-) I haven't watched it at all since the middle of the first season.

But I mean SERIOUSLY, I couldn't even handle that stuff with the Kate plot point of she was kidnapped and working with the bad guys against her will...or something? So stupid. I don't get why it couldn't have been more gritty and realistic, like a continuation of the movie Catch Me if You Can, basically? That was based on a real story. I don't know, maybe it wouldn't have worked, but it just makes me sad to set up such good characters, played by charismatic, fun actors, and them give them such stupid plots.

[(Anonymous)]

Because it was on USA network... Jeff has said that the original idea was much darker but the network wanted something lighter. Unfortunately that seems to have changed into a show where Neal can do whatever he wants and Peter is made into a fool who turns a blind eye to Neal's action unless he needs to notice for the TENSION! OMG THE TENSION! - but then it all goes back to normal with no real resolution - because Neal can't actually face real consequences because then he'd have to go back to prison and Peter would probably be fired.

[(Anonymous)]

Not going to lie, despite it's faults, I looove this show. Don't get all the hate for it. If you aren't enjoying it, stop watching. At least stop whining!

[(Anonymous)]

Fandom Secrets was practically made for the purposes of whining (and, indeed, many of the other secrets in this post are whining about something).

[(Anonymous)]

No one has mentioned Mozzie yet... Okay I get that they wanted to show how Neal is being pulled in two directions by Peter (to be good) and Mozzie (to be bad) but the way it's been set up just seems like there's no good reason for Neal to continue hanging around Mozzie because he's such a bad influence.

I mean really as a paroled felon he probably never would have been allowed to be around Mozzie in the first place (too much temptation to go back to his old life). And they've shown twice now that Neal has gotten into the most trouble when he listens to what Mozzie wants him to do - both the whole Adler situation and now with the treasure.

So really - why are we supposed to continue to like Mozzie at this point? Why are we supposed to believe that Neal isn't an idiot for continuing to be friends with Mozzie?

It's a fair point that Peter also had a hand in causing Neal to do what he did by jumping to conclusions and making an ass of himself - thereby making him feel trapped between a rock and a hard place, but again if Mozzie hadn't done what he did it wouldn't have gotten to this point of basically everyone being an idiot.

[unifilar.livejournal.com]

I agree. My love for the first season is still making me watch it, but I dunno, I may drop it soon. God knows I stayed with House, MD too damn long even though it got repetitive, and I ended up hated it.

Slightly off topic, but I feel the need to mention this- anyone else excited as hell for the movie In Time purely because Matt Bomer is in it? It'll be hard to not think "OH HEY THERE NEAL" whenever I see him, but I'm totally going for the midnight showing.

[regendy.livejournal.com]

A day late to the party on this secrets post, but I thought they were got along pretty well in S2. Peter lied to Neal about the music box and Neal didn't mention his own investigation into Kate's death, but then they talked it out, were totally fine, and started working together.

...Which is why Season 3 DRIVES ME UP THE WALL. I don't think Peter's dumb this time (because despite the kneejerk response, he wants to trust Neal; Neal just makes it difficult), and to some extent it makes sense that they'd go this oddly dark route with the distrust. But they've drawn it out way too far, and like anon said upthread, Mozzie's been such a jerk that it's like "Neal, why are you listening to this guy again?"