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fandomsecrets2011-10-24 07:44 pm
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(Anonymous) 2011-10-25 05:05 pm (UTC)(link)Yes, because not wanting the mental images associated with reading about a guy putting his arms around a girl's "waste" is exactly like committing genocide!
Grammar-nazi-nazis
(Anonymous) 2011-10-25 06:14 pm (UTC)(link)The "nazi"-part here doesn't even TRY to equate ANYTHING to genocide. It's about the *how*. Pedantism is one of THE central ideas in the image the nazis had - especially in the US.
Remember that Scene from Buffy?
Willow: "Amy's Mom likes Cheerleading" (or something like that)
Buffy: "Let me guess.. she's a nazi?"
Willow: "Heil."
Now Willow as a jewish character is not offended by that, but instead plays with it. Maybe she knows that that's the way language works, and that making the nazis a ridiculing proverbial expression does a pretty good job of putting them in their place.
I'm from germany, and here, people are still afraid to laugh about the jokes on "the Nanny", because they play with stereotypes of Jewish culture. Even the word "Jew" is mostly spoken in a hushed voice, as if you were talking about something forbidden.
I guess the Nazis would be pretty happy if they knew. It took more than 50 years for another jewish comunity as such to grow again in germany, and for jews to be seen as normal citizens of society.
I'd say we don't give tha Nazis any more claim on our lives. We shouldn't forget, but we shouldn't be scared of their shadows anymore, either.
Re: Grammar-nazi-nazis
(Anonymous) 2011-10-25 06:37 pm (UTC)(link)As a Jew myself (with family history involving World War II that my family made sure I was aware of), it always struck me as odd that people would think I'd be bothered by the word "Nazi." Yes, my family went on death marches and were held in horrific POW camps if they weren't fleeing Europe for being Jewish. Yes, I respect the parts of my family who suffered. Still, it's been over fifty years, and like I said in another comment, it's true that playing with the word gives us a feeling of power. I don't want to say that it's trivializing the suffering because it's not. Rather, it's an attempt to fight against the images associated with Nazism by making Nazism itself seem ridiculous. It's basically saying that we're above these people and not afraid of what they do to us. Refusing to use the word at all is an attempt to do the opposite: assert that you're still afraid of the Nazis because you don't want to stare the horrors they committed in the face. You're basically giving them power right back.
That and you're absolutely right about method being the central point here, not the genocide. Anyone who believes that people who use the term "grammar nazi" to conjure images of genocide would probably do well to research Nazism and its political tactics to understand that said genocide was only a fraction of what they did.