fandomsecrets | [ SECRET POST #1756 ]

⌈ Secret Post #1756 ⌋

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The anon didn't misunderstand the secret. They were saying that communication relies on a very basic understanding of language and that everyone should be conscious of that regardless of what they normally speak. If anyone descends on someone for anything beyond that, it's because they're ass holes, but the meat of it is that you want to do your best either way and avoid making careless mistakes that would attract the people who aren't ass holes.

Except that the secret maker can clearly communicate in better-than-basic English, judging by the secret itself. This in turn implies that the criticism OP is talking about is not about basic mistakes. This is why I don't understand why you keep bringing in this issue of basic mistakes. Basic mistakes, or having a basic grip on the language, are NOT the topic of this secret, if the clear way in which the secret itself is written is any indication. The topic of this secret, from what I can see, is precisely the assholes you are mentioning.

please don't attempt to insult my intelligence. :/ I'd acknowledge that you'd disagree with what I have to say if you simply said you disagree, rather than that I clearly don't understand.

I know it's a childish response, but... you started it. You went on and on about how ESLs need to have a basic grasp of the English language if they want to be understood, as though we were too stupid to realise that on our own. Then you gave examples of mistakes that have nothing to do with being ESL. Then when I pointed that out, you congratulated me on missing your point. Don't be condescending to me (both personally and as a member of a group), and I won't act so pissy.

Except that was the point. I'm really struggling to figure out how to better explain this to you, but the main crux of it is that the anon who responded directly to the OP was saying that, in general, you'd want to make an effort in your writing to get your point across. (S)he said nothing about whether or not the secret maker was failing at English. If anything, (s)he seems to be saying, in my view, that the secret maker should simply worry about the very basics and never mind the minor details. What I'm trying to add is that not every community has those ass holes, so I really think the OP is either in terrible communities or overreacting.

You went on and on about how ESLs need to have a basic grasp of the English language if they want to be understood, as though we were too stupid to realise that on our own.

Oh, see, here's where the problem lies. You're assuming. :/ I never said that you were stupid. I said exactly what I said, without any intended connotations: that the point was that in order to get along in a community, you need to ensure ease of communication. This may sound like stating the obvious to you, but I find that it's easier to sort my thoughts by stating the obvious. In no way did I intend on making an effort to discount anyone else's intelligence, and reading over what I wrote, I still don't see where you're getting this conclusion that I outright stated you're an idiot.

Then when I pointed that out, you congratulated me on missing your point.

The reason why I was sarcastic there was because you outright treated me like an idiot by stating quite flatly that it's obvious that I don't understand, like I'm a child. Unlike my prior posts, there's really very few ways to interpret, "Quite frankly, it's rather obvious that you have no idea what kind of mistakes ESLs make and are corrected for," especially if it's accompanied by an icon of Garfield facepalming.

So, if we want to be childish about it, you're technically the one who started it. Like I said earlier, we would have had a perfectly civil conversation if you didn't feel the need to outright state I'm an idiot and break out the facepalm icon.

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